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In article 686cae30-6816-4252-af98-75c3b1794408
@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 17, 8:55*pm, Harry wrote:
On 12/17/09 8:54 PM, Eisboch wrote:





*wrote in message
om...
On 12/17/09 8:11 PM, Eisboch wrote:
* wrote in message
...

I think Dean is right. It should be handled as best as possible with
reconciliation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconci...tates_Congress)

--
Nom=de=Plume

My understanding is that the reconciliation process is after a bill is
approved and is then
negotiated and adjusted with consideration to budgets. *You can't have
reconciliation on the
pertinent points of a bill during the voting process. *There's nothing to
reconciliate. (if that's a word)

Eisboch

"Reconciliate" is indeed a word, though a tad obscure. You can find it in
a proper dictionary.

That's me. *Obscure.

Better to be obscure than familiar.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why don't YOU go be obscure instead of familiar then? Most of us here
would like that.

Because rec.boats is all I have, little schitt.

--
And now...back to flajim and others who are so obsessed with me, they
use my handle here.

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In article 07536aba-258a-429a-8b0a-a6eaa61e2f10
@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 17, 2:41*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:24:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 7:03 am, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:37 -0800, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

I am an equal opportunity disliker. Both the Republicans and the
Democrats
suck. At the present, the Democrats suck more as they are in control and
screwing us big time. How about Howard Dean's take on the health care
bill?

Hee, hee.

The Democrats are in a free fall, but 'Bama keeps blaming the
Republicans.

Pass the popcorn.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Your blind hatred still won't allow you to spell your president's name
correctly, huh? That's just sad.

Very sad... says a lot about John.

I will point out, you reap what you sow.
I remember the way the left mangled Bush's name.

Either you respect the office or personal attacks are fine, your
choice.

I have great respect for the office. It's the current occupant I find
somewhat problematic. I guess I'm just not in favor of the government
running everything. The Russians tried it, even added 'socialist' to
the name of their country. The folks who got ahead were not the common
folks, they were the politicians who had the good spots in the
government. Liberals just can't seem to understand that.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go. Lumping all liberals into you very narrow minded
definition.

You are the one who breaks everything into "liberal vs. conservative".
Take a look back..

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In article ,
om says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:16:01 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:22 -0500, John H wrote:


Yeah, and he hasn't noticed the Democrats falling numbers haven't shown
a corresponding rise in Republican numbers. I would say, what you are
seeing is a disgust in all things Washington, and they wonder why there
is voter apathy. If the Democrats don't pass adequate health care
reform, it will hurt them, but I see that as hurting the country, not
helping the "Party of No".

Don't be too sad. I'm OK.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care plan, it would
probably pass. To blame the non-passage on the Republicans is very
Reid-like, but also bull****.

If this health plan is so great, why hasn't it been made public? Why are
Republican senators prevented from seeing the bill?

Read this. It's from a liberal newspaper, so it must be true.

http://tinyurl.com/y8tlw2l

In the meantime, keep blaming the Republicans for the bill not passing.
Not even Howard Dean does that.

Read for content, John. I didn't blame the Republicans for the bill not
passing. The Republican party is irrelevant, and it will remain
irrelevant until they get there house in order. Pandering to their
"base", all 20% of the population, will keep them irrelevant.

You're right. I misread. I thought your reference to the "Party of No"
was a jab at Republicans. But it seems as if the Democrats are doing
it to themselves.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

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On 12/18/09 10:28 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article07536aba-258a-429a-8b0a-a6eaa61e2f10
@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 17, 2:41 pm, John wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:24:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 7:03 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:37 -0800, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

I am an equal opportunity disliker. Both the Republicans and the
Democrats
suck. At the present, the Democrats suck more as they are in control and
screwing us big time. How about Howard Dean's take on the health care
bill?

Hee, hee.

The Democrats are in a free fall, but 'Bama keeps blaming the
Republicans.

Pass the popcorn.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Your blind hatred still won't allow you to spell your president's name
correctly, huh? That's just sad.

Very sad... says a lot about John.

I will point out, you reap what you sow.
I remember the way the left mangled Bush's name.

Either you respect the office or personal attacks are fine, your
choice.

I have great respect for the office. It's the current occupant I find
somewhat problematic. I guess I'm just not in favor of the government
running everything. The Russians tried it, even added 'socialist' to
the name of their country. The folks who got ahead were not the common
folks, they were the politicians who had the good spots in the
government. Liberals just can't seem to understand that.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go. Lumping all liberals into you very narrow minded
definition.

You are the one who breaks everything into "liberal vs. conservative".
Take a look back..



This is really funny...you, loogy, herring, and bilious bill...the
dumbed down horsemen of the apocalypse of the eternally stupid.

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:56:00 -0500, John H wrote:


If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It doesn't sound much
like they are interested in health care, just interested in defeating
Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...

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On 12/18/09 10:32 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
om says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:16:01 -0600,
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:22 -0500, John H wrote:


Yeah, and he hasn't noticed the Democrats falling numbers haven't shown
a corresponding rise in Republican numbers. I would say, what you are
seeing is a disgust in all things Washington, and they wonder why there
is voter apathy. If the Democrats don't pass adequate health care
reform, it will hurt them, but I see that as hurting the country, not
helping the "Party of No".

Don't be too sad. I'm OK.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care plan, it would
probably pass. To blame the non-passage on the Republicans is very
Reid-like, but also bull****.

If this health plan is so great, why hasn't it been made public? Why are
Republican senators prevented from seeing the bill?

Read this. It's from a liberal newspaper, so it must be true.

http://tinyurl.com/y8tlw2l

In the meantime, keep blaming the Republicans for the bill not passing.
Not even Howard Dean does that.

Read for content, John. I didn't blame the Republicans for the bill not
passing. The Republican party is irrelevant, and it will remain
irrelevant until they get there house in order. Pandering to their
"base", all 20% of the population, will keep them irrelevant.

You're right. I misread. I thought your reference to the "Party of No"
was a jab at Republicans. But it seems as if the Democrats are doing
it to themselves.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...


Why are you concerned? You don't have health insurance.

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In article 9b703227-7553-4759-867f-14cd605552a9
@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 17, 5:33*pm, thunder wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:56:00 -0500, John H wrote:
If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

Garbage. *"If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." *Want to guess who said that? *It doesn't sound much
like they are interested in health care, just interested in defeating
Obama.

Yes, indeed! That is all most of the republicans want. Hateful,
bigoted, intolerant.

Yeah, yeah, that's it, someone said it so it's how "you folks" all
feel!! Yeah, that's the ticket!!! snerk

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On 12/18/09 10:32 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In inet,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:56:00 -0500, John H wrote:


If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It doesn't sound much
like they are interested in health care, just interested in defeating
Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...


A U.S. Senator, ****-for-brains. Jim Demint, from South Carolina, naturally.

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:16:01 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:22 -0500, John H wrote:


Yeah, and he hasn't noticed the Democrats falling numbers haven't shown
a corresponding rise in Republican numbers. I would say, what you are
seeing is a disgust in all things Washington, and they wonder why there
is voter apathy. If the Democrats don't pass adequate health care
reform, it will hurt them, but I see that as hurting the country, not
helping the "Party of No".

Don't be too sad. I'm OK.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care plan, it would
probably pass. To blame the non-passage on the Republicans is very
Reid-like, but also bull****.

If this health plan is so great, why hasn't it been made public? Why are
Republican senators prevented from seeing the bill?

Read this. It's from a liberal newspaper, so it must be true.

http://tinyurl.com/y8tlw2l

In the meantime, keep blaming the Republicans for the bill not passing.
Not even Howard Dean does that.

Read for content, John. I didn't blame the Republicans for the bill not
passing. The Republican party is irrelevant, and it will remain
irrelevant until they get there house in order. Pandering to their
"base", all 20% of the population, will keep them irrelevant.

You're right. I misread. I thought your reference to the "Party of No"
was a jab at Republicans. But it seems as if the Democrats are doing
it to themselves.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

They won't address the fact that the bill is kept hidden.

Yet they'll talk about Republicans 'blindly' doing this or that. If
pushing an unseen bill isn't 'blindly' following, then I don't know
what it.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

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In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

On 12/18/09 10:28 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article07536aba-258a-429a-8b0a-a6eaa61e2f10
@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 17, 2:41 pm, John wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:24:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 7:03 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:37 -0800, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

I am an equal opportunity disliker. Both the Republicans and the
Democrats
suck. At the present, the Democrats suck more as they are in control and
screwing us big time. How about Howard Dean's take on the health care
bill?

Hee, hee.

The Democrats are in a free fall, but 'Bama keeps blaming the
Republicans.

Pass the popcorn.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Your blind hatred still won't allow you to spell your president's name
correctly, huh? That's just sad.

Very sad... says a lot about John.

I will point out, you reap what you sow.
I remember the way the left mangled Bush's name.

Either you respect the office or personal attacks are fine, your
choice.

I have great respect for the office. It's the current occupant I find
somewhat problematic. I guess I'm just not in favor of the government
running everything. The Russians tried it, even added 'socialist' to
the name of their country. The folks who got ahead were not the common
folks, they were the politicians who had the good spots in the
government. Liberals just can't seem to understand that.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go. Lumping all liberals into you very narrow minded
definition.

You are the one who breaks everything into "liberal vs. conservative".
Take a look back..



This is really funny...you, loogy, herring, and bilious bill...the
dumbed down horsemen of the apocalypse of the eternally stupid.

You are an impostor. I have guns and answer my door drawn and cocked.

--
And now...back to flajim and others who are so obsessed with me, they
use my handle here.

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On Dec 18, 10:28*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 07536aba-258a-429a-8b0a-a6eaa61e2f10
@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 17, 2:41*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:24:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 7:03 am, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:37 -0800, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

I am an equal opportunity disliker. Both the Republicans and the
Democrats
suck. At the present, the Democrats suck more as they are in control and
screwing us big time. How about Howard Dean's take on the health care
bill?

Hee, hee.

The Democrats are in a free fall, but 'Bama keeps blaming the
Republicans.

Pass the popcorn.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Your blind hatred still won't allow you to spell your president's name
correctly, huh? That's just sad.

Very sad... says a lot about John.

I will point out, you reap what you sow.
I remember the way the left mangled Bush's name.

Either you respect the office or personal attacks are fine, your
choice.

I have great respect for the office. It's the current occupant I find
somewhat problematic. I guess I'm just not in favor of the government
running everything. The Russians tried it, even added 'socialist' to
the name of their country. The folks who got ahead were not the common
folks, they were the politicians who had the good spots in the
government. Liberals just can't seem to understand that.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go. Lumping all liberals into you very narrow minded
definition.

You are the one who breaks everything into "liberal vs. conservative".
Take a look back..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What in hell do you think John POSTS this political **** for, if not
for liberal vs. conservative? And that argument has NO bearing on the
fact that John lumps ALL liberals into his very narrow minded slot.
LIke this:

Liberals just can't seem to understand that.

Now you tell me, how in hell would he know what all liberals think and
understand??? I'm telling you, I'm sick of his bull****.

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"John H" wrote in message
...



Well, you have been. But the plum can use some folks to argue with
her.

Good to see you're back.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


Just visiting. No boat.

Eisboch (best holiday wishes to all)

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Harry wrote:
In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...
On 12/18/09 10:28 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article07536aba-258a-429a-8b0a-a6eaa61e2f10
@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...
On Dec 17, 2:41 pm, John wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:24:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 7:03 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:37 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:
I am an equal opportunity disliker. Both the Republicans and the
Democrats
suck. At the present, the Democrats suck more as they are in control and
screwing us big time. How about Howard Dean's take on the health care
bill?
Hee, hee.
The Democrats are in a free fall, but 'Bama keeps blaming the
Republicans.
Pass the popcorn.
--
Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!
John H
Your blind hatred still won't allow you to spell your president's name
correctly, huh? That's just sad.
Very sad... says a lot about John.
I will point out, you reap what you sow.
I remember the way the left mangled Bush's name.
Either you respect the office or personal attacks are fine, your
choice.
I have great respect for the office. It's the current occupant I find
somewhat problematic. I guess I'm just not in favor of the government
running everything. The Russians tried it, even added 'socialist' to
the name of their country. The folks who got ahead were not the common
folks, they were the politicians who had the good spots in the
government. Liberals just can't seem to understand that.
--

Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
There you go. Lumping all liberals into you very narrow minded
definition.
You are the one who breaks everything into "liberal vs. conservative".
Take a look back..


This is really funny...you, loogy, herring, and bilious bill...the
dumbed down horsemen of the apocalypse of the eternally stupid.

You are an impostor. I have guns and answer my door drawn and cocked.

You're both cocked. I don't post with gravity or earthlink. Get a life,
turds.

--


Imagine being such a worthless p.o.s. that you post on usenet using
someone else's ID

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? Frankly, this is how it's done. It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It doesn't sound
much like they are interested in health care, just interested in
defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:34:21 -0500, "Peregrine"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .



Well, you have been. But the plum can use some folks to argue with
her.

Good to see you're back.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


Just visiting. No boat.

Eisboch (best holiday wishes to all)

Interested?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...eadytoroll.jpg

As you can see, it floats.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? Frankly, this is how it's done. It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

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On 12/18/09 1:08 PM, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It doesn't sound
much like they are interested in health care, just interested in
defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.


Yet another Republican moron from South Carolina. Isn't there another
secession movement going on there?

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John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? Frankly, this is how it's done. It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.

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In article ,
says...

"John H" wrote in message
...



Well, you have been. But the plum can use some folks to argue with
her.

Good to see you're back.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


Just visiting. No boat.

Eisboch (best holiday wishes to all)

Another boatless turd.

--
And now...back to flajim and others who are so obsessed with me, they
use my handle here.

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On 12/18/09 12:34 PM, Peregrine wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...



Well, you have been. But the plum can use some folks to argue with
her.

Good to see you're back.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


Just visiting. No boat.

Eisboch (best holiday wishes to all)


No sweat, Richard. Being boatless puts you in the majority around here.
:) Have a safe holiday and a healthy new year.

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It doesn't sound
much like they are interested in health care, just interested in
defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.


I think his advice is still valid! :)

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
om says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:16:01 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:22 -0500, John H wrote:


Yeah, and he hasn't noticed the Democrats falling numbers haven't
shown
a corresponding rise in Republican numbers. I would say, what you are
seeing is a disgust in all things Washington, and they wonder why
there
is voter apathy. If the Democrats don't pass adequate health care
reform, it will hurt them, but I see that as hurting the country, not
helping the "Party of No".

Don't be too sad. I'm OK.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care plan, it would
probably pass. To blame the non-passage on the Republicans is very
Reid-like, but also bull****.

If this health plan is so great, why hasn't it been made public? Why
are
Republican senators prevented from seeing the bill?

Read this. It's from a liberal newspaper, so it must be true.

http://tinyurl.com/y8tlw2l

In the meantime, keep blaming the Republicans for the bill not
passing.
Not even Howard Dean does that.

Read for content, John. I didn't blame the Republicans for the bill not
passing. The Republican party is irrelevant, and it will remain
irrelevant until they get there house in order. Pandering to their
"base", all 20% of the population, will keep them irrelevant.

You're right. I misread. I thought your reference to the "Party of No"
was a jab at Republicans. But it seems as if the Democrats are doing
it to themselves.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...


Secret meetings? You mean the Dem caucus and the President? Or, perhaps
you're talking about Dick Cheney's meetings with Big Oil.

Sounds like you need a refresher course in gov't process.


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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? Frankly, this is how it's done. It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


It's how it's done. If you can't accept reality, you've got some serious
problems that I don't think can be addresses in this ng.

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On Dec 18, 1:34*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message

...





On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

It's how it's done. If you can't accept reality, you've got some serious
problems that I don't think can be addresses in this ng.

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Reality?? You are talking about a guy that thinks that everything that
conservatives do is good and everything liberals do is bad, period.

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In article a8d6d25e-9086-4ab2-bbbb-
,
says...

On Dec 18, 10:28*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 07536aba-258a-429a-8b0a-a6eaa61e2f10
@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 17, 2:41*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:24:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 7:03 am, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:37 -0800, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

I am an equal opportunity disliker. Both the Republicans and the
Democrats
suck. At the present, the Democrats suck more as they are in control and
screwing us big time. How about Howard Dean's take on the health care
bill?

Hee, hee.

The Democrats are in a free fall, but 'Bama keeps blaming the
Republicans.

Pass the popcorn.
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Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Your blind hatred still won't allow you to spell your president's name
correctly, huh? That's just sad.

Very sad... says a lot about John.

I will point out, you reap what you sow.
I remember the way the left mangled Bush's name.

Either you respect the office or personal attacks are fine, your
choice.

I have great respect for the office. It's the current occupant I find
somewhat problematic. I guess I'm just not in favor of the government
running everything. The Russians tried it, even added 'socialist' to
the name of their country. The folks who got ahead were not the common
folks, they were the politicians who had the good spots in the
government. Liberals just can't seem to understand that.
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John H- Hide quoted text -

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There you go. Lumping all liberals into you very narrow minded
definition.

You are the one who breaks everything into "liberal vs. conservative".
Take a look back..- Hide quoted text -

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What in hell do you think John POSTS this political **** for, if not
for liberal vs. conservative? And that argument has NO bearing on the
fact that John lumps ALL liberals into his very narrow minded slot.
LIke this:

Liberals just can't seem to understand that.

Now you tell me, how in hell would he know what all liberals think and
understand??? I'm telling you, I'm sick of his bull****.

Bull****, show me where he said everything was either liberal or
conservative?

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In article ,
om says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:16:01 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:22 -0500, John H wrote:


Yeah, and he hasn't noticed the Democrats falling numbers haven't shown
a corresponding rise in Republican numbers. I would say, what you are
seeing is a disgust in all things Washington, and they wonder why there
is voter apathy. If the Democrats don't pass adequate health care
reform, it will hurt them, but I see that as hurting the country, not
helping the "Party of No".

Don't be too sad. I'm OK.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care plan, it would
probably pass. To blame the non-passage on the Republicans is very
Reid-like, but also bull****.

If this health plan is so great, why hasn't it been made public? Why are
Republican senators prevented from seeing the bill?

Read this. It's from a liberal newspaper, so it must be true.

http://tinyurl.com/y8tlw2l

In the meantime, keep blaming the Republicans for the bill not passing.
Not even Howard Dean does that.

Read for content, John. I didn't blame the Republicans for the bill not
passing. The Republican party is irrelevant, and it will remain
irrelevant until they get there house in order. Pandering to their
"base", all 20% of the population, will keep them irrelevant.

You're right. I misread. I thought your reference to the "Party of No"
was a jab at Republicans. But it seems as if the Democrats are doing
it to themselves.

If the Democrats would propose an adequate health care bill it would
pass with support from both sides. It would also stand the test of
daylight.

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

They won't address the fact that the bill is kept hidden.

Yet they'll talk about Republicans 'blindly' doing this or that. If
pushing an unseen bill isn't 'blindly' following, then I don't know
what it.

I remember they made huge over Cheney and energy experts having secret
meetings, now everything is a secret meeting, even the law to be signed
is secret. How can fair minded folks tolerate it? It's silly..

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? Frankly, this is how it's done. It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Sunshine and openness were the footblocks of Obama's campaign. You hold
repubs more accountable for screwing around on their wives because they
campaign on "family values", so we can hold you to "change and
openness", right??

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In article 35deb317-9803-492c-bdf8-cc124ba48ab0@
21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:34*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message

...





On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

It's how it's done. If you can't accept reality, you've got some serious
problems that I don't think can be addresses in this ng.

--
Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Reality?? You are talking about a guy that thinks that everything that
conservatives do is good and everything liberals do is bad, period.

Show me where he said that?

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In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It doesn't sound
much like they are interested in health care, just interested in
defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said;)

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said;)

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.

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On 12/18/09 8:56 PM, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In inet,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said;)

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.


There's a fairly long blog here that explains why there is no GOP health
care plan alternative:


http://www.anonymousliberal.com/

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said;)

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.


It wouldn't just be an opinion. It's a guarantee, which is sad.

--
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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned
about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...

Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? Frankly, this is how it's done. It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here.

Sunshine and openness were the footblocks of Obama's campaign. You hold
repubs more accountable for screwing around on their wives because they
campaign on "family values", so we can hold you to "change and
openness", right??


He's an order of magnitude more open than the Bush adm.

--
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On Dec 18, 8:38*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...



On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. *"If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo.
It will break him." *Want to guess who said that? *It doesn't sound
much like they are interested in health care, just interested in
defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio... We
don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said;)

What does what Murtha has to say have anything to do with what DeMint
has to say?

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On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

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In article 1136ce5d-9ae4-46d0-a90f-ab3f55cc54f4
@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

You have stated several times that folks who have opposing points of
view must either be "lying or uninformed", never admitting that there
could be a legitimate "opposing point of view"...

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said;)

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.

Maybe if the dems had let them into the meetings and allowed some of
their core ideas into the bill. It's not hard to see that they were
totally shut out of the whole process...