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jps December 10th 09 03:22 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:45:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:06:42 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:01:16 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...y.aspx?ref=rss


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.

That ought to help save lives!

George Orwell just wasn't too far off...

Not that you asked, but my opinion is that anybody driving DUI with a
passenger should be prosecuted as a felon.


I realize that many share that view, and it may be a consensus view. I
don't. IMHO, persons who injure another out of their own
irresponsible actions should be subject to equitable and severe
penalties meted out by the justice system. I think that legislated
behavioral controls are Orwellian and rob the individual of his or her
personal autonomy.



Ummm... laws are not a form of behavioral control?



Still thinking... still thinking... still thinking... bzzzzzt...

jps December 10th 09 03:26 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:50:27 -0600, Vic Smith
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:30:43 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...y.aspx?ref=rss


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.

That ought to help save lives!

George Orwell just wasn't too far off...

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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


This must be from living in ideas of the head instead of the real
world. Or maybe you know that life being fleeting and all, getting
killed by a drunk driver is just "The Price of Freedom"
Or maybe you are willing to take the chance that everybody is as
responsible as you and won't drive drunk.
They ain't. Only reason I won't drive inebriated is the law might
hammer me with fines and jail and take my driver's license away.
I know that beer don't affect me, When I'm drunk I still drive good.
Just like everybody else.

--Vic


I was recently returning from a trip to Whistler Mountain, north of
Vancouver, BC. The sound to mountain road was packed with drunk
Canadians racing back to Vancouver. They were insane! I couldn't
believe the risky behavior we observed on the road. Swerving at high
speeds around cars.

Evidently, the penalties up there aren't very stiff.

jps December 10th 09 03:28 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
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http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


George Orwell just wasn't too far off...


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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


--


Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in Atlanta.


Don. I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.

I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.


Uh oh. You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?

Tim December 10th 09 03:35 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Dec 9, 9:28*pm, jps wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
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On Dec 9, 8:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


George Orwell just wasn't too far off...


--
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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


--


Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in Atlanta.


Don. *I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.


I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.


Uh oh. *You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?


Both.

Tim December 10th 09 03:39 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Dec 9, 9:35*pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:28*pm, jps wrote:



On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Dec 9, 8:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message


. ..


On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


George Orwell just wasn't too far off...


--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


--


Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in Atlanta.


Don. *I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.


I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.


Uh oh. *You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?


Both.


Actually, not really. we attend separate churches, however we share
close to the same beliefs.

if by chance J. had kids the same age as mine who were active in
sports, then they probably did compete with each other

Tom Francis - SWSports December 10th 09 03:45 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:30:43 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...y.aspx?ref=rss


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.

That ought to help save lives!

George Orwell just wasn't too far off...

--
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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


Why?

jps December 10th 09 04:06 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:39:26 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 9, 9:35*pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:28*pm, jps wrote:



On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Dec 9, 8:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message


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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


George Orwell just wasn't too far off...


--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


--


Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in Atlanta.


Don. *I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.


I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.


Uh oh. *You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?


Both.


Actually, not really. we attend separate churches, however we share
close to the same beliefs.

if by chance J. had kids the same age as mine who were active in
sports, then they probably did compete with each other


Uh oh, spilled the beans and feeling like you overstepped?

He'd have done well as a church official during the crusades. Don't
know what he's like live but he sure comes off as the true heir to
William F. Buckley, minus the intellect.

Tim December 10th 09 04:30 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Dec 9, 10:06*pm, jps wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:39:26 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Dec 9, 9:35 pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:28 pm, jps wrote:


On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Dec 9, 8:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message


. ..


On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


George Orwell just wasn't too far off...


--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------
Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access


You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


--


Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in Atlanta.


Don. I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.


I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.


Uh oh. You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?


Both.


Actually, not really. we attend separate churches, however we share
close to the same beliefs.


if by chance J. *had kids the same age as mine who were active in
sports, then they probably did compete with each other


Uh oh, spilled the beans and feeling like you overstepped?


No.

He'd have done well as a church official during the crusades. *Don't
know what he's like live but he sure comes off as the true heir to
William F. Buckley, minus the intellect.


in you're eyes you're probably right. But you see only what you wish.


jps December 10th 09 04:54 AM

For the children's sake...
 
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:30:10 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 9, 10:06*pm, jps wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:39:26 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Dec 9, 9:35 pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:28 pm, jps wrote:


On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Dec 9, 8:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message


. ..


On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


George Orwell just wasn't too far off...


--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------
Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access


You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??


Yes.


--


Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in Atlanta.


Don. I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.


I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.


Uh oh. You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?


Both.


Actually, not really. we attend separate churches, however we share
close to the same beliefs.


if by chance J. *had kids the same age as mine who were active in
sports, then they probably did compete with each other


Uh oh, spilled the beans and feeling like you overstepped?


No.

He'd have done well as a church official during the crusades. *Don't
know what he's like live but he sure comes off as the true heir to
William F. Buckley, minus the intellect.


you're probably right.


Yes, I thought so.

Steve B December 10th 09 05:22 AM

For the children's sake...
 

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 9, 6:43 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.


That ought to help save lives!


Not sure if that last sentence is a statement or a snide comment.


a snide comment.

Drunks don't care about anything, even passengers.

And if more laws reduced deaths and DUIs, we would have evidence of this
already, as we have increased the laws.

There is not correlation between increasing laws and people lessening
their
criminal acts. Look at Prohibition.

Steve


And above the basics, it applies to gun laws too.


reply: Well, if there are more laws, it means the government needs to hire
more law enforcement officers. Is that what they're talking about with all
this jobs creation stuff?

The old laws worked so good, lets make some more! Yeah, that oughta do it.

Steve




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