On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:41:30 -0500, Wayne.B
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:55:06 -0500, wrote:

You can see his position evolve if you follow this to the current
policy.
I still think he was completely wrong about Afghanistan, as was Bush.
We have nothing there we can win.

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At an otherwise uneventful hearing before the House Armed Services
Committee this morning, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in
Afghanistan, said something that should confirm and heighten most
people's apprehensions about the war's escalation.

McChrystal noted that he has accumulated several years of command
experience in that country since the war began. And yet, he confessed,
"There is much in Afghanistan that I do not understand."
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Fred Kaplan at www.slate.com

A little honesty is refreshing.
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John H

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:54:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:40:32 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Yeah, I remember when Obama was against the war too. It is funny how a
few million in "contributions" (read:bribes) and an awakening to
political reality, turns these people around.
The golden rule of politics is the people with the gold make the
rules.
It won't be long before she is in lock step with Gramm, Lieberman,
Dodd and the bankers who own them.


Which war are you talking about? He was never against the Afg. war. He
remains against the Iraqi war.

Why don't you just stick to the facts instead of trying to promote an
agenda.


We are still in the Iraq war, in case you are not watching the news.
In Jan 2009 Obama was also pretty soft on the Afghanistan war, as he
should be. It is another waste of money, lives and political capital.

My agenda is pretty simple, end the crusades, stop the hemorrhage debt
and try to build a viable economy that is based on real jobs, not
selling financial instruments of dubious value.
When I see a candidate who really has a plan to do that I will vote
for him/her. Since the late 80s it has been "meet the new boss, same
as the old boss".


Obama never said he would instantly withdraw us from Iraq.


You tube is a powerful thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WYTKj8pU5M

You can see his position evolve if you follow this to the current
policy.
I still think he was completely wrong about Afghanistan, as was Bush.
We have nothing there we can win.


Did you actually listen to it???? Phased, orderly withdrawl, give the
generals a mission to begin an orderly, phased withdrawl... as, quickly as
possible, combat troops out within 16 mos. which is happening.


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Nom=de=Plume

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:39 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:29:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Obama never said he would instantly withdraw us from Iraq.


You tube is a powerful thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WYTKj8pU5M

You can see his position evolve if you follow this to the current
policy.
I still think he was completely wrong about Afghanistan, as was Bush.
We have nothing there we can win.


Did you actually listen to it???? Phased, orderly withdrawl, give the
generals a mission to begin an orderly, phased withdrawl... as, quickly as
possible, combat troops out within 16 mos. which is happening.


If you think we will be out of Iraq by May 2010 I have a bridge you
might want to buy.
He is now saying we may never actually get out. When you think about
it, Vietnam and Grenada are the only two places where we ever had a
war and left when it was over.

Maybe Cuba and Nicaragua?

--Vic

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:10:42 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:35:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Did you actually listen to it???? Phased, orderly withdrawl, give the
generals a mission to begin an orderly, phased withdrawl... as, quickly as
possible, combat troops out within 16 mos. which is happening.


If you think we will be out of Iraq by May 2010 I have a bridge you
might want to buy.
He is now saying we may never actually get out. When you think about
it, Vietnam and Grenada are the only two places where we ever had a
war and left when it was over.

Maybe Cuba and Nicaragua?

We are still in Cuba.

Right. Forgot. I was at Gitmo long ago.
It's best to forget.

--Vic