Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John Gaquin wrote: "Mark Browne" wrote in message Hypocrisy Seen in U.S. Stand on Iraqi Arms Mideast: Officials say ..... Now there's a reliable source.... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:by% Sounds good to me; it does dovetail rather nicely with what I have personally experienced when traveling in the middle east. Did all your cab drivers and busboys assure you that there were no NBC weapons? I, too, have spent a substantial amount of time working in the mid-east, including Irag, Iran, and Afghanistan. There is no doubt in my mind that there has been connection between AQ and most of the countries in the region. There is also no doubt in my mind that there will never be any proof of same. JG Let's see... No provable connection to the terrorist network... No weapons of mass destruction... No proof Iraq was involved in 9-11... No Osama... And we're spending hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars in Iraq that would be far better spent in the U.S., or, even to help the truly impoverished people of the world... Wow...we're sure lucky we have a smirking chimp in the White House. Secretary of State Colin Powell today regarding the cost of the war on terrorism: We will endure whatever costs it takes to win this war. It will certainly be cheaper in the long run and result in less civilian loss of lives than to have to relive another 9-11. That is our resolve. Like it or not Harry. |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
In article , |3ill|3o
wrote: Please, DO NOT post off-topic discussions to a divorce support group! This was crossposted to 4 groups: alt.support.marriage alt.support.divorce misc.survivalism rec.boats Why are you crossposting this to misc.survivalism? Are you one of those fagboys or lesbians who need to be gutted and burned? --Tim May |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:07:39 -0700, Tim May
wrote: In article , |3ill|3o wrote: Please, DO NOT post off-topic discussions to a divorce support group! This was crossposted to 4 groups: alt.support.marriage alt.support.divorce misc.survivalism rec.boats Why are you crossposting this to misc.survivalism? S/he answered your question in the part you neatly snipped. And you call me a nitwit. Chuckle. Are you one of those fagboys or lesbians who need to be gutted and burned? Why do you care? Trying to get a date? Sue - among the honored 30 --Tim May |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:17:02 +0000, Jim - wrote:
Secretary of State Colin Powell today regarding the cost of the war on terrorism: We will endure whatever costs it takes to win this war. It will certainly be cheaper in the long run and result in less civilian loss of lives than to have to relive another 9-11. I would suggest this ignores the *innocent* civilian lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then, they are only ragheads, and the killing continues. That is our resolve. Like it or not Harry. |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:05:01 -0400, thunder
wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:09:33 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: What is really scary, other than your IQ, is that no WMD's were found! Where did they go? IS a known fact he had them, even your beloved Clinton believed the fact, especially the proven fact he used them on his own people as well as Iranians. Which country is the holder of the weapons now? They scary fact is that zero has been found. Means that there was a very complete transfer out of the country. Bill Possibly, another explanation is that the UN inspectors were correct in their estimation that up to 98% of the weapons were already destroyed. Then they should have been able to point to where they were destroyed at. Also, you may want to consider that the weapons he had in the 1990s are no longer weapons. They do have a shelf live. biological, maybe. Chemical? Who knows. |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:10:01 +0000, rickb308 wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:05:01 -0400, thunder wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:09:33 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: What is really scary, other than your IQ, is that no WMD's were found! Where did they go? IS a known fact he had them, even your beloved Clinton believed the fact, especially the proven fact he used them on his own people as well as Iranians. Which country is the holder of the weapons now? They scary fact is that zero has been found. Means that there was a very complete transfer out of the country. Bill Possibly, another explanation is that the UN inspectors were correct in their estimation that up to 98% of the weapons were already destroyed. Then they should have been able to point to where they were destroyed at. UN Inspectors have verified much of the destroyed weapons. The sticking point has always been the verification/documentation of the remaining weapons. There is much information on the internet about this, or do you actually believe that Iran would accept Iraq's WMD? The same weapons that they had seen first hand in the Iran Iraq War, a war that cost the Iranians 1/2 million people. Also, you may want to consider that the weapons he had in the 1990s are no longer weapons. They do have a shelf live. biological, maybe. Chemical? Who knows. Iraq was known to produce three nerve agents, sarin, tabun, and VX. Sarin and tabun have a shelf live of five years. It is not known that Iraq ever stabilized VX. |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:56:51 -0400, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:10:01 +0000, rickb308 wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:05:01 -0400, thunder wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:09:33 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: What is really scary, other than your IQ, is that no WMD's were found! Where did they go? IS a known fact he had them, even your beloved Clinton believed the fact, especially the proven fact he used them on his own people as well as Iranians. Which country is the holder of the weapons now? They scary fact is that zero has been found. Means that there was a very complete transfer out of the country. Bill Possibly, another explanation is that the UN inspectors were correct in their estimation that up to 98% of the weapons were already destroyed. Then they should have been able to point to where they were destroyed at. UN Inspectors have verified much of the destroyed weapons. The sticking point has always been the verification/documentation of the remaining weapons. There is much information on the internet about this, or do you actually believe that Iran would accept Iraq's WMD? The same weapons that they had seen first hand in the Iran Iraq War, a war that cost the Iranians 1/2 million people. Thinking more along the lines of Syria or Libya. Also, you may want to consider that the weapons he had in the 1990s are no longer weapons. They do have a shelf live. biological, maybe. Chemical? Who knows. Iraq was known to produce three nerve agents, sarin, tabun, and VX. Sarin and tabun have a shelf live of five years. It is not known that Iraq ever stabilized VX. Known. Key operating word. If we had "known", we would have gotten Saddam. We would have "known" where he was. Thanks to budget cuts, and not being able to hire "thieves", our humint assests were mighty thin on the ground. We don't "know" everything they did. Hell, we didn't "KNOW" that they buried 30 fully armed MIG fighters in the sand. We found those by accident. And we admitted they were found by accident. Would have been easy to claim we knew where THEY were. Rick Bowen TSRA Life Member NRA Member Without the 2nd Amendment, the rest are just suggestions. |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
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Known. Key operating word. If we had "known", we would have gotten Saddam. We would have "known" where he was. Thanks to budget cuts, and not being able to hire "thieves", our humint assests were mighty thin on the ground. We don't "know" everything they did. Hell, we didn't "KNOW" that they buried 30 fully armed MIG fighters in the sand. We found those by accident. And we admitted they were found by accident. Would have been easy to claim we knew where THEY were. snip Saddam effectively destroyed these arms. A turbine does not take well to being buried in sand; without extensive refitting those birds will never fly again. I can't begin to imagine why he chose to comply with the orders to disarm, but not to let the inspectors verify the fact. One working theory: it may have been in Saddams best interest to make his neighbors think he still possessed them so that he could maintain some control of his political rivals. Mark Browne |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 04:50:55 GMT, "Mark Browne"
wrote: snip Known. Key operating word. If we had "known", we would have gotten Saddam. We would have "known" where he was. Thanks to budget cuts, and not being able to hire "thieves", our humint assests were mighty thin on the ground. We don't "know" everything they did. Hell, we didn't "KNOW" that they buried 30 fully armed MIG fighters in the sand. We found those by accident. And we admitted they were found by accident. Would have been easy to claim we knew where THEY were. snip Saddam effectively destroyed these arms. A turbine does not take well to being buried in sand; without extensive refitting those birds will never fly again. I can't begin to imagine why he chose to comply with the orders to disarm, but not to let the inspectors verify the fact. One working theory: it may have been in Saddams best interest to make his neighbors think he still possessed them so that he could maintain some control of his political rivals. Mark Browne Were they cucooned or were they simply bulldozed over? Gunner " ......The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
Failure to find banned Iraqi arms delays inspectors' report: press
Mark Browne wrote:
I can't begin to imagine why he chose to comply with the orders to disarm, but not to let the inspectors verify the fact. One working theory: it may have been in Saddams best interest to make his neighbors think he still possessed them so that he could maintain some control of his political rivals. A good theory. But one that ultimately led to this war and his ultimate fall from power. Dave |
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