"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:41:16 -0500, lil abner wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:51:01 -0500, lil abner wrote:

Don White wrote:
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and
caught a
program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers
who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were
passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot
cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns are
examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


I wa brought up with firearms. I didn't handle or fire one until it was
determined I was safe with them.
My own kids went one, at a time, with me at 6. They hunted, with a gun,
while, I attended at about 7.
At ten they hunted squirrels alone behind the house.
Some kids, today, know nothing but tv. It depends on who raised them,
the tv, or parents, and where they live etc.
At 5 I was killing chickens, by wringing their necks and chores that
most Teenagers would whine and cry and not do.
I'm not sure what you saw. I won't accuse you of being socialist.
We frequently hear hand wringing and the sky is falling from the
socialist camp.

Do you live in historical Russia?

Not being in favor of the proliferation of handguns and their
availablity to nutcases does not a socialist make.

I endorse your interest in shooting small defenseless animals if
that's what floats your boat, or hunting for food. I even endorse
your ability to have firearms to defend your life and property.

What I don't endorse is no check sales of firearms at uncontrolled
gun shows and lax gun shops.

What I don't endorse is all the money the NRA has spread around
Washington to promote laws that hinder our ability to wrestle with
this out-of-control problem. Maybe it's fine for you to watch as
people get killed in bunches, I'm not immune to the taking of innocent
lives.

4 cops, two of them trainers in SWAT. Armed, trained, getting ready
to go on duty, shot dead in cold blood by one asshole.

Normally, some dunderhead would be arguing that if ONE of those four
people had a gun, the gunman couldn't have killed all four.

Guess what? It's a ****ing specious argument that just got proven
wrong.

The cat is long out of the bag on this problem and I have not a clue
what to do. The NRA has pushed the availability so far beyond reason
that we're doomed to have to live with the consequences for years to
come.

Humans can be so ****ing short sighted. I'm not among that lot.
Firearms are tools. It is our right. We told government hands off in our
Constitution.
You want to make it a privilege dictated on your terms.
By the way, it will surprise you to know that meat doesn't come from the
supermarket. The animal was killed a lot less humanely than a Hunter
would.

I don't buy that meat.

The NRA hasn't pushed anything.

Bull****. They're in the pants of everyone.

S--t happens. Life is uncertain. The
society is full of criminals.

And thanks to the NRA and short-term thinkers like you, cheap weapons
are widely available.

You cannot depend on society or Law
Enforcement to be at your side to protect you when a predator comes for
you. Even if you have the means to protect yourself it is not a 100%
guaranteed you will be the victor.

4 cops, armed, trained. Weapons are being used to kill innocent
people, relatives, their owners.

If you don't want to take responsibility for your own existence that's
fine. Put a big 911 button on your phone. Go whine and cower in your
corner.

What a crock of ****.

Who's coming into my house? Smart people use deterrents to keep
unwanted people from coming into their houses. Do you post an image
of a gun on your house?

I have a sign on the gate (which is always open) that says, "Private
Property, No Trespassing, Uninvited Guests Will Be Eaten".

In the entire time I've lived here, I had one "uninvited guest." I think he
was probably a homeless guy, since he walked up the driveway. My attack cat
went crazy, hissing and trashing against the porch window. Stopped him in
his tracks. I opened the door and told him to leave before I let the cat
out, and he did. Then, I called the police. My neighbor said they took him
away, but I never heard what happened.


A flashing LED will keep a car prowler out of your car. Are you smart
enough to install one?

Fortunately, my car is rated as "56, better than average" by carfax.


--
Nom=de=Plume

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.

You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.

lil abner wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:51:01 -0500, lil abner wrote:

Don White wrote:
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and
caught a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the
cusomers who came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids
were passed what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already
owned numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point
& shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned
in guns are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.

I wa brought up with firearms. I didn't handle or fire one until it
was determined I was safe with them.
My own kids went one, at a time, with me at 6. They hunted, with a
gun, while, I attended at about 7.
At ten they hunted squirrels alone behind the house.
Some kids, today, know nothing but tv. It depends on who raised them,
the tv, or parents, and where they live etc.
At 5 I was killing chickens, by wringing their necks and chores that
most Teenagers would whine and cry and not do.
I'm not sure what you saw. I won't accuse you of being socialist.
We frequently hear hand wringing and the sky is falling from the
socialist camp.

Do you live in historical Russia?
Not being in favor of the proliferation of handguns and their
availablity to nutcases does not a socialist make.

I endorse your interest in shooting small defenseless animals if
that's what floats your boat, or hunting for food. I even endorse
your ability to have firearms to defend your life and property.

What I don't endorse is no check sales of firearms at uncontrolled
gun shows and lax gun shops.

What I don't endorse is all the money the NRA has spread around
Washington to promote laws that hinder our ability to wrestle with
this out-of-control problem. Maybe it's fine for you to watch as
people get killed in bunches, I'm not immune to the taking of innocent
lives.

4 cops, two of them trainers in SWAT. Armed, trained, getting ready
to go on duty, shot dead in cold blood by one asshole.

Normally, some dunderhead would be arguing that if ONE of those four
people had a gun, the gunman couldn't have killed all four.

Guess what? It's a ****ing specious argument that just got proven
wrong.

The cat is long out of the bag on this problem and I have not a clue
what to do. The NRA has pushed the availability so far beyond reason
that we're doomed to have to live with the consequences for years to
come.

Humans can be so ****ing short sighted. I'm not among that lot.
Firearms are tools. It is our right. We told government hands off in our
Constitution.
You want to make it a privilege dictated on your terms.
By the way, it will surprise you to know that meat doesn't come from the
supermarket. The animal was killed a lot less humanely than a Hunter would.
The NRA hasn't pushed anything. S--t happens. Life is uncertain. The
society is full of criminals. You cannot depend on society or Law
Enforcement to be at your side to protect you when a predator comes for
you. Even if you have the means to protect yourself it is not a 100%
guaranteed you will be the victor.
If you don't want to take responsibility for your own existence that's
fine. Put a big 911 button on your phone. Go whine and cower in your
corner. The predators will come for the ones offering the least
resistance first. No one elected to give up their rights and let you be
emperor.
Leave normal Citizens alone.

I agree with this post.

Rob

"lil abner" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:51:01 -0500, lil abner wrote:



The animal was killed a lot less humanely than a Hunter would.

I beg to differ. Unless every hunter *always* gets a clean head shot, your
statement is in error.

In the US, slaughtered animals are stunned and rendered insensible
(unconscious), before they are bled out (unless it is a kosher kill). Done
correctly, there is little if any pain. Let me put it this way; Would you
rather be stunned and rendered unconcious, then killed (dead before you
awoke), or shot in the chest and left to bleed, fully conscious of the fact
that you are dying... until you finally died?

I'm not against hunting by any means, nor firearms. It's just that I've
heard hunters use that defense before, and it just aint true. Base your
defense on the constitution... it don't get any better than that.

--Mike

"Don White" wrote in message
...
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught
a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns
are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


Lets see. Turn in a $500 weapon and get a $50 camera. Good business. For
the state. I was raised around firearms. The kids getting accidently
killed are most likely from parents who do not acknowledge firearms and the
only ones the kids see are on TV and the person getting shot 99 times and
getting up. I was taught gun safety from as far back as I can remember. My
kids were taught firearms safety. Started shooting small bore rifles and 20
ga shotguns at beercans and clay pidgeons when they were maybe 8 or 9.
Neither kid owes guns as they do not desire to, but they do know what to do
to keep themselves and the family safe if around a firearm. Education on
firearms is missing these days.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught
a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were
passed what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns
are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


Lets see. Turn in a $500 weapon and get a $50 camera. Good business.
For the state. I was raised around firearms. The kids getting accidently
killed are most likely from parents who do not acknowledge firearms and
the only ones the kids see are on TV and the person getting shot 99 times
and getting up. I was taught gun safety from as far back as I can
remember. My kids were taught firearms safety. Started shooting small
bore rifles and 20 ga shotguns at beercans and clay pidgeons when they
were maybe 8 or 9. Neither kid owes guns as they do not desire to, but
they do know what to do to keep themselves and the family safe if around a
firearm. Education on firearms is missing these days.

FL has a law on the books that makes parents responsible if Jr. takes Dads
firearm and shoots Suzy while playing cops and robbers.
Too often the law isn't used. I think this has been twisted around where
somehow the parents rights are being violated if he/she/they is held
responsible for leaving a firearm unsecured and this results in Suzy being
shot. .
It'm my constitutional and legal right (FL) to own firearms (and I do so
responsibly) and it's the other sides right to bitch and moan about it.
If I shoot someone it's because they are commiting a life threatening action
towards myself or another person. Or they've shown extremely poor judgement
by breaking into my house.

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and
caught a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers
who came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were
passed what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns
are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


Lets see. Turn in a $500 weapon and get a $50 camera. Good business.
For the state. I was raised around firearms. The kids getting
accidently killed are most likely from parents who do not acknowledge
firearms and the only ones the kids see are on TV and the person getting
shot 99 times and getting up. I was taught gun safety from as far back
as I can remember. My kids were taught firearms safety. Started
shooting small bore rifles and 20 ga shotguns at beercans and clay
pidgeons when they were maybe 8 or 9. Neither kid owes guns as they do
not desire to, but they do know what to do to keep themselves and the
family safe if around a firearm. Education on firearms is missing these
days.

FL has a law on the books that makes parents responsible if Jr. takes Dads
firearm and shoots Suzy while playing cops and robbers.
Too often the law isn't used. I think this has been twisted around where
somehow the parents rights are being violated if he/she/they is held
responsible for leaving a firearm unsecured and this results in Suzy being
shot. .
It'm my constitutional and legal right (FL) to own firearms (and I do so
responsibly) and it's the other sides right to bitch and moan about it.
If I shoot someone it's because they are commiting a life threatening
action towards myself or another person. Or they've shown extremely poor
judgement by breaking into my house.


Same thing here in California. Hell, I think someone breaks in to a house a
steals a firearm without a trigger lock or in a safe and you are still
responsible for any shooting by the bad guy. But most accidents by kids are
by uninformed kids. Same with adults.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and
caught a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers
who came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids
were passed what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in
guns are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


Lets see. Turn in a $500 weapon and get a $50 camera. Good business.
For the state. I was raised around firearms. The kids getting
accidently killed are most likely from parents who do not acknowledge
firearms and the only ones the kids see are on TV and the person getting
shot 99 times and getting up. I was taught gun safety from as far back
as I can remember. My kids were taught firearms safety. Started
shooting small bore rifles and 20 ga shotguns at beercans and clay
pidgeons when they were maybe 8 or 9. Neither kid owes guns as they do
not desire to, but they do know what to do to keep themselves and the
family safe if around a firearm. Education on firearms is missing these
days.

FL has a law on the books that makes parents responsible if Jr. takes
Dads firearm and shoots Suzy while playing cops and robbers.
Too often the law isn't used. I think this has been twisted around where
somehow the parents rights are being violated if he/she/they is held
responsible for leaving a firearm unsecured and this results in Suzy
being shot. .
It'm my constitutional and legal right (FL) to own firearms (and I do so
responsibly) and it's the other sides right to bitch and moan about it.
If I shoot someone it's because they are commiting a life threatening
action towards myself or another person. Or they've shown extremely poor
judgement by breaking into my house.


Same thing here in California. Hell, I think someone breaks in to a house
a steals a firearm without a trigger lock or in a safe and you are still
responsible for any shooting by the bad guy. But most accidents by kids
are by uninformed kids. Same with adults.

Perhaps you should get a JD before you make such statements...

--
Nom=de=Plume

Don White wrote:
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught a
program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point & shoot
cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns are
examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


I apologize for my previous reply sounding accusatory.

Don White wrote:
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught a
program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point & shoot
cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns are
examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


It is a pretty bizarre show. The gunshop host is a trip, as is his
"granny," but in the two episodes I saw, there were some really
dangerous moments underway in the shop and on the range.