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John H[_11_] November 22nd 09 08:04 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode
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John H

nom=de=plume November 22nd 09 10:07 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
"John H" wrote in message
...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode
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John H



So, because someone is an asshole that means he must be wrong?

http://ty.rannosaur.us/5-geniuses-wh...sive-assholes/

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Nom=de=Plume



Tom Francis - SWSports November 22nd 09 10:49 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.

H the K[_2_] November 22nd 09 11:11 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/22/09 5:49 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.



Uh-huh...and with your non-existent reputation in peer-reviewed science,
you should be placed in hack with your BFF Short**** Ingersoll.

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

John H[_11_] November 23rd 09 12:18 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.

Another f*ing joke!
--

John H

I am Tosk November 23rd 09 12:46 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
om says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...

I am Tosk November 23rd 09 12:47 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...

H the K[_4_] November 23rd 09 12:49 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/22/09 7:47 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...



*You* are commenting on science? You? Doubtful you completed high school.



--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

BAR[_2_] November 23rd 09 01:12 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

In article ,
om says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 02:32 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:24 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.

Another f*ing joke!


You want to see how it all unfolded?

John Hindraker has done yeoman work on the email files.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

I can say this - Steve McIntyre feels completely vindicated and while
he's too nice a guy and much to humble to toot his own horn, there's a
smile on his face today.

Real science might actually win the day.

H the K[_2_] November 23rd 09 02:34 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/22/09 9:32 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:24 -0500, John
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.

Another f*ing joke!


You want to see how it all unfolded?

John Hindraker has done yeoman work on the email files.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

I can say this - Steve McIntyre feels completely vindicated and while
he's too nice a guy and much to humble to toot his own horn, there's a
smile on his face today.

Real science might actually win the day.



Sheesh. Yet another right-wing bull**** site. No wonder SW Tom-Tom likes
it.



--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 02:47 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.


I honestly don't know why it happened. I think it's an unfortunate
confluence of science and politics - policy rather than procedure.

From what I know about Dr. Mann, he has always been a bit of a
eco-warrior and got carried away. He attracted the attention of Al
Gore who sensed an opportunity and like the snake oil salesman he's
always been, took advantage of it. And it snowballed from there -
grants were given, studies to be made, reputations to be protected,
taxes/revenue to be raised and applied, social engineering to be
accomplished for the protection of the masses.

I'm not saying that pollution isn't an issue, that eco systems don't
need to be protected, fish stocks replenished, research done on
non-fossil fuel energy delivery, etc. These are important issues, but
they've been lost in the great Global Warming Wars which, as it is
turning out, is a bogus crisis.

Hopefully we can start doing real research and science once this blows
over.

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 02:49 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article ,
om says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.


Welcome to the club. :)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.

TopBassDog November 23rd 09 03:05 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Nov 22, 8:34*pm, H the K wrote:
On 11/22/09 9:32 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:



On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:24 -0500, John
wrote:


On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
*wrote:


On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John
wrote:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.


Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.


This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.


He should be put in jail to rot forever.


Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.


Another f*ing joke!


You want to see how it all unfolded?


John Hindraker has done yeoman work on the email files.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php


I can say this - Steve McIntyre feels completely vindicated and while
he's too nice a guy and much to humble to toot his own horn, there's a
smile on his face today.


Real science might actually win the day.


Sheesh. Yet another right-wing bull**** site. No wonder SW Tom-Tom likes
it.



Herr Krause. No wonder you can't stand it. It bothers you too much.

TopBassDog November 23rd 09 03:10 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Nov 22, 6:46*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...


This is established as being the time-honoured method used by Krauss
and company.

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 03:22 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


Talk about shameless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

Tim November 23rd 09 03:27 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Nov 22, 8:49*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...


In article ,
says...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."


This is priceless!


If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.


BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.


Welcome to the club. *:)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.


Tom, I've been kicked out of some clubs I started... so, don't feel
alone.
?;^ )

Tim November 23rd 09 03:30 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Nov 22, 9:22Ā*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


Talk about shameless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ


That was gross!

i agree witht he commenter that said "It reminds me of the people
jumping to their deaths on 9/11. What is wrong with the people who
think this stuff up?"

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 04:13 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:27:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 22, 8:49*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...


In article ,
says...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."


This is priceless!


If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.


BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.


Welcome to the club. *:)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.


Tom, I've been kicked out of some clubs I started... so, don't feel
alone.
?;^ )


Some how, I believe you.

Frogwatch November 23rd 09 05:13 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Nov 22, 11:13 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:27:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Nov 22, 8:49 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...


In article ,
says...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode


They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."


This is priceless!


If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.


BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.


Welcome to the club. :)


Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.


Tom, I've been kicked out of some clubs I started... so, don't feel
alone.
?;^ )


Some how, I believe you.


Mann and Jones behavior in all of this has been really sleazy. Just
about any real scientist (even us commercial scientists) welcome
criticism of our work because then we can make it better. We try to
keep away from personal attacks and realize that sometimes our critics
are simply correct. Yeah, we all have egos but if you try to cover up
questionable stuff, it just spirals out of control and you really end
up looking foolish. Yes, I sometimes think my professional critics
are being jerks but you have to keep up the pretense of civility,
otherwise you end up looking stupid.
You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER put things into e-mail that you would be
ashamed to be published. You do not say such things on the phone
either. Save it for times when you can be absolutely sure you are
alone with someone else and even then be professional about it,
otherwise it'll come back to bite you. Sometimes I hear my employees
say nasty things about some company that has done us wrong and I tell
em to watch what they say.
There are people who have really done me wrong but whenever I see them
at conferences, I always greet them in a friendly manner (but watch
what I say to them) because this impresses people. When I hear
something bad has happed to them, I make sure I make it known they
have my best wishes although in reality I may wish for em to die. It
is just good PR.
I am almost astonished at the foolishness of these guys in the e-
mails. It is either a case of arrogantly thinking they are immune to
blowback or simple foolishness to such an extent that I would doubt
their judgement on anything.

Scott Dickson November 23rd 09 06:11 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Nov 22, 12:04*pm, John H wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode
--

John H


Heres the ****head responsible for this drivel.......

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/f...32218_8642.jpg

thunder November 23rd 09 07:22 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:47:48 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


I'm not saying that pollution isn't an issue, that eco systems don't
need to be protected, fish stocks replenished, research done on
non-fossil fuel energy delivery, etc. These are important issues, but
they've been lost in the great Global Warming Wars which, as it is
turning out, is a bogus crisis.


How do you jibe this, with your following statement? I mean, how do you
know it's a "bogus crisis", when there is no "real research and science"?

Hopefully we can start doing real research and science once this blows
over.


Isn't that exactly what is happening right now, albeit more publicly than
is normal for most science? The process is, by nature, ugly, but science
*is* doing it's job.

For those flat earthers, those that think these emails are some sort of
smoking gun, you may want to consider:

"More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no
evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros
nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ā€˜get rid of the
MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the
falsifying of data, and no ā€˜marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/
vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the
hackers also being in on the plot though."

From:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../the-cru-hack/

thunder November 23rd 09 08:19 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...


"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)

thunder November 23rd 09 09:16 AM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."


ā€œBecause of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm
that all of this material is genuine.ā€

There was 160 MB of data stolen. Obviously, it would take some time to
confirm if it was authentic. Obviously, someone who was willing to break
the law (hacking), and post private information publicly, *might* not be
above changing the data, if they have an agenda.

You don't think they have an agenda, do you?

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.


Why? Where's the smoking gun? The blue dress? Private emails are
easily taken out of context, and even with that caveat, I haven't seen
anything in those emails that debunks the science.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.



Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 12:20 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:16:36 -0600, thunder
wrote:

You don't think they have an agenda, do you?


You know, for a really smart guy, you have some amazing blind spots.

OF COURSE THEY HAD AN AGENDA!!!

Jesus - read through the material.

Damn man...

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 12:29 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:16:36 -0600, thunder
wrote:

Why? Where's the smoking gun? The blue dress? Private emails are
easily taken out of context, and even with that caveat, I haven't seen
anything in those emails that debunks the science.


Read the exchange between Keiller and Briffa at the bottom of this
analysis.

Neither one was answered.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

In fact, read the whole thing.

H the K[_4_] November 23rd 09 12:33 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/23/09 7:29 AM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:16:36 -0600,
wrote:

Why? Where's the smoking gun? The blue dress? Private emails are
easily taken out of context, and even with that caveat, I haven't seen
anything in those emails that debunks the science.


Read the exchange between Keiller and Briffa at the bottom of this
analysis.

Neither one was answered.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

In fact, read the whole thing.



Pimping that right-wing blog again, eh?

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

Tom Francis - SWSports November 23rd 09 12:41 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:22:16 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:47:48 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


I'm not saying that pollution isn't an issue, that eco systems don't
need to be protected, fish stocks replenished, research done on
non-fossil fuel energy delivery, etc. These are important issues, but
they've been lost in the great Global Warming Wars which, as it is
turning out, is a bogus crisis.


How do you jibe this, with your following statement? I mean, how do you
know it's a "bogus crisis", when there is no "real research and science"?

Hopefully we can start doing real research and science once this blows
over.


Isn't that exactly what is happening right now, albeit more publicly than
is normal for most science? The process is, by nature, ugly, but science
*is* doing it's job.


It's not if data sets are hidden and results are not properly analyzed
and/or included to advance a public policy agenda.

For those flat earthers, those that think these emails are some sort of
smoking gun, you may want to consider:

"More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no
evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros
nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the
MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the
falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/
vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the
hackers also being in on the plot though."

From:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../the-cru-hack/


Oh please - here's the "directorship" of RealClimate.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...tributor-bios/

Notice a prominent name there? And Schmidt isn't exaclty an objective
observer - he's participated in this data fraud and is a prominent
eco-warrior.

I don't know a lot about Dr. Ammann but I noticed a couple of
interesting things in his CV - most notably this: IPCC AR4 Reviewer
Synthesis Report, Chapter 9 and contributing author.

Think they might have something to protect here?

I am Tosk November 23rd 09 12:51 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:24 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.


Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.

Another f*ing joke!


You want to see how it all unfolded?

John Hindraker has done yeoman work on the email files.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

I can say this - Steve McIntyre feels completely vindicated and while
he's too nice a guy and much to humble to toot his own horn, there's a
smile on his face today.

Real science might actually win the day.


Pretty damning stuff... These folks are full of **** and they know it...

BAR[_2_] November 23rd 09 12:58 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:


"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."


?Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm
that all of this material is genuine.?

There was 160 MB of data stolen. Obviously, it would take some time to
confirm if it was authentic. Obviously, someone who was willing to break
the law (hacking), and post private information publicly, *might* not be
above changing the data, if they have an agenda.


Do you realize how simple it is to compare 160 MB worth of data? That is
not even two hours of work. The "University" could verify it but they
won't.

You don't think they have an agenda, do you?


Everybody has an agenda. The sooner you understand this the sooner you
will cast a suspicious eye at both sides of an issue.

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.


Why? Where's the smoking gun? The blue dress? Private emails are
easily taken out of context, and even with that caveat, I haven't seen
anything in those emails that debunks the science.


Debunks the science? How about the Antic Hole. How about the evidence to
the contrary. How about debating your detractors in public. If you are
so damn cocksure of your data and your "science" then it should stand up
the the scrutiny of the sunshine. Put the data into the public domain,
put the "models" into the public domain.

Surely the scene supporting global warming will stand on its own. Unless
the legs upon which it has to stand are balsa wood tooth picks.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.




I am Tosk November 23rd 09 01:07 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...


"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)


What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...

H the K[_4_] November 23rd 09 01:14 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/23/09 8:07 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In inet,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...


"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)


What real science? ;) ;)



Why are you commenting on *science*? Unlikely you completed high school.


BAR[_2_] November 23rd 09 01:18 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:47:48 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


I'm not saying that pollution isn't an issue, that eco systems don't
need to be protected, fish stocks replenished, research done on
non-fossil fuel energy delivery, etc. These are important issues, but
they've been lost in the great Global Warming Wars which, as it is
turning out, is a bogus crisis.


How do you jibe this, with your following statement? I mean, how do you
know it's a "bogus crisis", when there is no "real research and science"?

Hopefully we can start doing real research and science once this blows
over.


Isn't that exactly what is happening right now, albeit more publicly than
is normal for most science? The process is, by nature, ugly, but science
*is* doing it's job.

For those flat earthers, those that think these emails are some sort of
smoking gun, you may want to consider:

"More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no
evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros
nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ?get rid of the
MWP?, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the
falsifying of data, and no ?marching orders? from our socialist/communist/
vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the
hackers also being in on the plot though."

From:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../the-cru-hack/

Your attempt to minimalize the information brought into the public
domain by stating that it can't be a world-wide conspiracy because
George Soros isn't involved is a nice try at deflection.

What we have is a collection of "scientists" from around the world who
saw global warming as a way to fatten their research budgets, bring them
national and international prominence and pad their CV's. The part that
is really nefarious is that they are trying with every "trick" they know
to beat their critics into submission by calling the global warming
deniers at the least and idiots at the most.

Keep pushing the it can't be a conspiracy because George Soros isn't
behind it line of crap if you want.



H the K[_4_] November 23rd 09 01:21 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/23/09 8:18 AM, BAR wrote:
In inet,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:47:48 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


I'm not saying that pollution isn't an issue, that eco systems don't
need to be protected, fish stocks replenished, research done on
non-fossil fuel energy delivery, etc. These are important issues, but
they've been lost in the great Global Warming Wars which, as it is
turning out, is a bogus crisis.


How do you jibe this, with your following statement? I mean, how do you
know it's a "bogus crisis", when there is no "real research and science"?

Hopefully we can start doing real research and science once this blows
over.


Isn't that exactly what is happening right now, albeit more publicly than
is normal for most science? The process is, by nature, ugly, but science
*is* doing it's job.

For those flat earthers, those that think these emails are some sort of
smoking gun, you may want to consider:

"More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no
evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros
nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ?get rid of the
MWP?, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the
falsifying of data, and no ?marching orders? from our socialist/communist/
vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the
hackers also being in on the plot though."

From:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../the-cru-hack/

Your attempt to minimalize the information brought into the public
domain by stating that it can't be a world-wide conspiracy because
George Soros isn't involved is a nice try at deflection.

What we have is a collection of "scientists" from around the world who
saw global warming as a way to fatten their research budgets, bring them
national and international prominence and pad their CV's. The part that
is really nefarious is that they are trying with every "trick" they know
to beat their critics into submission by calling the global warming
deniers at the least and idiots at the most.

Keep pushing the it can't be a conspiracy because George Soros isn't
behind it line of crap if you want.




Crikey...BAR is another "scientist" who barely completed high school.

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

RLM November 23rd 09 02:45 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:07:46 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...


"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)


What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...


Sounds like a cardboard boat project. Perhaps that is why it is fresh in
your mind.


H the K[_4_] November 23rd 09 03:03 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On 11/23/09 9:45 AM, RLM wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:07:46 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In inet,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...

"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)


What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...


Sounds like a cardboard boat project. Perhaps that is why it is fresh in
your mind.



You gotta love it when Toskie comments on that which is beyond his
capability of understanding, and that would would science, math,
history, politics, sociology, childrearing and building of boats capable
of being launched into Long Island Sound.

The "over-priced orange towels..."commercial...

Yes, that's something worth pondering and analyzing.





--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

I am Tosk November 23rd 09 03:07 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:07:46 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...

"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)


What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...


Sounds like a cardboard boat project. Perhaps that is why it is fresh in
your mind.


Before all the technology and computers, most decent boat projects
started with scale models. Problem?

RLM November 23rd 09 03:09 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:07:27 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:07:46 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...

"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)

What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...


Sounds like a cardboard boat project. Perhaps that is why it is fresh in
your mind.


Before all the technology and computers, most decent boat projects
started with scale models. Problem?


The problem is that in most OT discussions in this group you are in way
over your head. I suspect you have tried to sail a full sized cardboard
boat. Lucky for you the mooring line was still attached to the dock cleat.

I also suspect you have tried it more than once.


Don White November 23rd 09 03:24 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 

"H the K" wrote in message
...
On 11/23/09 9:45 AM, RLM wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:07:46 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In inet,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...

"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)

What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...


Sounds like a cardboard boat project. Perhaps that is why it is fresh in
your mind.



You gotta love it when Toskie comments on that which is beyond his
capability of understanding, and that would would science, math, history,
politics, sociology, childrearing and building of boats capable of being
launched into Long Island Sound.

The "over-priced orange towels..."commercial...

Yes, that's something worth pondering and analyzing.



I could see Snotty trying to pitch 'ShamWow' cloths....pony tail & all.
He'd make that Vince guy look like a movie star.



I am Tosk November 23rd 09 03:26 PM

Great Story! Lends lots of credence to the GW alarmists!
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:07:27 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:07:46 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.. Bunch of good
little Harrys...

"Faked science" is easy to ignore. OTOH, how do you ignore the real
science? ;-)

What real science? ;) ;) I am of the school of thought that looks at
a commercial for instance where trick photography or tricky editing
makes a product look good. If they have to trick you to make it look
good I tend to dismiss the product completely. For instance, there is
that annoying guy with the over priced orange towels. He has a part in
the commercial where he pours soda on a piece of carpet then cleans it
all up by pressing the towel into the carpet. If you watch carefully you
see that the clip is cut and a drier carpet is substituted... I won't
buy his towels knowing he is selling snake oil...

Sounds like a cardboard boat project. Perhaps that is why it is fresh in
your mind.


Before all the technology and computers, most decent boat projects
started with scale models. Problem?


The problem is that in most OT discussions in this group you are in way
over your head. I suspect you have tried to sail a full sized cardboard
boat. Lucky for you the mooring line was still attached to the dock cleat.

I also suspect you have tried it more than once.


And I suppose you find yourself much more qualified? ploink


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