On 11/22/09 9:32 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:24 -0500, John
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.

Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.

Another f*ing joke!

You want to see how it all unfolded?

John Hindraker has done yeoman work on the email files.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

I can say this - Steve McIntyre feels completely vindicated and while
he's too nice a guy and much to humble to toot his own horn, there's a
smile on his face today.

Real science might actually win the day.


Sheesh. Yet another right-wing bull**** site. No wonder SW Tom-Tom likes
it.



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achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
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well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:47:55 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.

How can these Lemmings ignore all the faked science? I just don't get
it, only because they are stuck on ideology?? Must be.

I honestly don't know why it happened. I think it's an unfortunate
confluence of science and politics - policy rather than procedure.

From what I know about Dr. Mann, he has always been a bit of a
eco-warrior and got carried away. He attracted the attention of Al
Gore who sensed an opportunity and like the snake oil salesman he's
always been, took advantage of it. And it snowballed from there -
grants were given, studies to be made, reputations to be protected,
taxes/revenue to be raised and applied, social engineering to be
accomplished for the protection of the masses.

I'm not saying that pollution isn't an issue, that eco systems don't
need to be protected, fish stocks replenished, research done on
non-fossil fuel energy delivery, etc. These are important issues, but
they've been lost in the great Global Warming Wars which, as it is
turning out, is a bogus crisis.

Hopefully we can start doing real research and science once this blows
over.

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article ,
om says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...

"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.

Welcome to the club. :)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.

On Nov 22, 8:34*pm, H the K wrote:
On 11/22/09 9:32 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:



On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:24 -0500, John
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:45 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
*wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

And look who is in the middle of this conspiracy to eliminate dissent
and supress free and open scientific discovery.

Michael "Mr. Hockey Stick" Mann.

This guy has done more damage to national economies than anybody else
in modern history.

He should be put in jail to rot forever.

Yup, he and his 'hockey stick' are right in the middle of it.

Another f*ing joke!

You want to see how it all unfolded?

John Hindraker has done yeoman work on the email files.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../11/024995.php

I can say this - Steve McIntyre feels completely vindicated and while
he's too nice a guy and much to humble to toot his own horn, there's a
smile on his face today.

Real science might actually win the day.

Sheesh. Yet another right-wing bull**** site. No wonder SW Tom-Tom likes
it.



Herr Krause. No wonder you can't stand it. It bothers you too much.

On Nov 22, 6:46*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...

This is established as being the time-honoured method used by Krauss
and company.

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

Talk about shameless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

On Nov 22, 8:49*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...

"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.

Welcome to the club. *:)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.

Tom, I've been kicked out of some clubs I started... so, don't feel
alone.
?;^ )

On Nov 22, 9:22Â*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

Talk about shameless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

That was gross!

i agree witht he commenter that said "It reminds me of the people
jumping to their deaths on 9/11. What is wrong with the people who
think this stuff up?"

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:27:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 22, 8:49*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...

"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.

Welcome to the club. *:)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.

Tom, I've been kicked out of some clubs I started... so, don't feel
alone.
?;^ )

Some how, I believe you.

On Nov 22, 11:13 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:27:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Nov 22, 8:49 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:12:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258...html#printMode

They will defend it by going after the messenger, you watch...

"University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more
than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how
many of the stolen items were authentic."

This is priceless!

If you weren't a skeptic before you should be now.

BTW, I've been banned from Mikey Mann's Blog.

Welcome to the club. :)

Then again, I wouldn't be a member of any club who would have me as a
member.

Tom, I've been kicked out of some clubs I started... so, don't feel
alone.
?;^ )

Some how, I believe you.

Mann and Jones behavior in all of this has been really sleazy. Just
about any real scientist (even us commercial scientists) welcome
criticism of our work because then we can make it better. We try to
keep away from personal attacks and realize that sometimes our critics
are simply correct. Yeah, we all have egos but if you try to cover up
questionable stuff, it just spirals out of control and you really end
up looking foolish. Yes, I sometimes think my professional critics
are being jerks but you have to keep up the pretense of civility,
otherwise you end up looking stupid.
You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER put things into e-mail that you would be
ashamed to be published. You do not say such things on the phone
either. Save it for times when you can be absolutely sure you are
alone with someone else and even then be professional about it,
otherwise it'll come back to bite you. Sometimes I hear my employees
say nasty things about some company that has done us wrong and I tell
em to watch what they say.
There are people who have really done me wrong but whenever I see them
at conferences, I always greet them in a friendly manner (but watch
what I say to them) because this impresses people. When I hear
something bad has happed to them, I make sure I make it known they
have my best wishes although in reality I may wish for em to die. It
is just good PR.
I am almost astonished at the foolishness of these guys in the e-
mails. It is either a case of arrogantly thinking they are immune to
blowback or simple foolishness to such an extent that I would doubt
their judgement on anything.