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Emergency room fatalities 80% higher for uninsured
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:18:12 -0800, jps wrote: If they all had insurance, the traffic would be more evenly dispersed and maybe some of them would have primary care that'd keep 'em out of the trauma centers... Nope, they would still be getting shot and knifed. And how many actually do not have insurance? If you are on welfare, the state pays for your medical costs. That's completely besides the point and you know it. If the same number were shot and stabbed, whether they be perps or innocent victims, there'd be less congestion at the county trauma centers if insured were treated at every hospital with an ER. Most people who go to the ER are not indigent. This has been repeated any number of times in the stats but, evidently, your case is wearing so thin you're having to repeat erroneous information. Try again if you must or just watch some television. For you, it's time better spent. I still hate to trust a statistic like this without a little more information about where the data came from, what was the most prevalent causes of death and things like that. Bad things tend to happen to poor people more than the more affluent. 80%+ who have no health ins. are working and above the poverty line. This has been known for quite some time. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Emergency room fatalities 80% higher for uninsured
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:38:01 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:18:12 -0800, jps wrote: If they all had insurance, the traffic would be more evenly dispersed and maybe some of them would have primary care that'd keep 'em out of the trauma centers... Nope, they would still be getting shot and knifed. And how many actually do not have insurance? If you are on welfare, the state pays for your medical costs. That's completely besides the point and you know it. If the same number were shot and stabbed, whether they be perps or innocent victims, there'd be less congestion at the county trauma centers if insured were treated at every hospital with an ER. Most people who go to the ER are not indigent. This has been repeated any number of times in the stats but, evidently, your case is wearing so thin you're having to repeat erroneous information. Try again if you must or just watch some television. For you, it's time better spent. I still hate to trust a statistic like this without a little more information about where the data came from, what was the most prevalent causes of death and things like that. Bad things tend to happen to poor people more than the more affluent. 80%+ who have no health ins. are working and above the poverty line. This has been known for quite some time. It still doesn't answer my question. Who dies in the ER's they polled and what was the cause of death? If these were inner city public hospitals I am sure violence and drugs are the major cause of death in the ER. Are they saying, if you have insurance they take you upstairs to die? I am just not sure someone was not cherry picking data to advance an agenda. If you are saying gangsters, hookers and drug addicts have a horrible benefit plan, I agree. Most of their victims do too. I'm not sure what you're asking... are you seriously asking if most of the ER patients are criminals? Few would have insurance, but I don't see what difference that would make. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Emergency room fatalities 80% higher for uninsured
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Emergency room fatalities 80% higher for uninsured
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:36:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:00:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I still hate to trust a statistic like this without a little more information about where the data came from, what was the most prevalent causes of death and things like that. Bad things tend to happen to poor people more than the more affluent. 80%+ who have no health ins. are working and above the poverty line. This has been known for quite some time. It still doesn't answer my question. Who dies in the ER's they polled and what was the cause of death? If these were inner city public hospitals I am sure violence and drugs are the major cause of death in the ER. Are they saying, if you have insurance they take you upstairs to die? I am just not sure someone was not cherry picking data to advance an agenda. If you are saying gangsters, hookers and drug addicts have a horrible benefit plan, I agree. Most of their victims do too. I'm not sure what you're asking... are you seriously asking if most of the ER patients are criminals? Few would have insurance, but I don't see what difference that would make. I am just curious about all the dueling statistics I hear. They said a week or so ago that 47000 people without insurance die every year, Sarah Brady says 43,000 people are shot every year, how many of those overlap? Toss in the ODs and it is easy to see why I may be skeptical of the statistics as any kind of valid barometer. I did this kind of work at IBM, trying to figure out why the reports we were running our business with did not match the reality and most of the time it was either that they were cherry picking the data or that the input data itself was corrupt in order to make a short term "number" look good. In the case of ER stats, I would not be shocked to see them diddling the inputted data to get their daily and monthly reports and payments on track. I believe the number is closer to 100K per year in the US. I'm not enough of a statistician to figure out who's got ins. and who doesn't. Most of the people who show up in ERs are employed, just as 80% who showed up in the recent free clinics were employed. I don't think any of them were shooting victims. Oh yes they were, every single one -- if you count tetanus and vaccinations. ;) |
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