On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
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Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.

Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

I'm familiar with the Brezhnev-Connors hug.

It's one thing to comport oneself with appropriate diginity and with
respect for others, it's another to act obsequiously. It's not
befitting a president of the United States and leader of the free
world, even if the President deems it to be a necessary symbolic
gesture. It's a symbol rooted in a naive ideology.

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity
Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.
Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

The were probably briefed on protocol and acted accordingly. The current
dip hasn't a clue.


Hmmm... the protocol of not bowing? They both did. You really need to stop
watching Fox news. They lie over and over...

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.

Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

I'm familiar with the Brezhnev-Connors hug.

It's one thing to comport oneself with appropriate diginity and with
respect for others, it's another to act obsequiously. It's not
befitting a president of the United States and leader of the free
world, even if the President deems it to be a necessary symbolic
gesture. It's a symbol rooted in a naive ideology.


Both bowed... Eisenhower to de Gaulle???? Can you say right wing meltdown if
that happened now...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...image/42148032

Nixon bowed to Hirohito (in the US I believe) and to the Pope, not to
mention holding hands and kissing the Saudi monarch.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=7031165

Quite some symbolism...

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:52:30 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"achmed" wrote in message ...
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity
Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.
Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

The were probably briefed on protocol and acted accordingly. The current
dip hasn't a clue.


Hmmm... the protocol of not bowing? They both did. You really need to stop
watching Fox news. They lie over and over...

I was watching them last night. To their credit, they had a guy on
who was arguing on behalf of common sense. The only problem was that
Hannity had at least one and maybe two other Fox koolaid drinkers on
the program. So it was either two or three against one in a
semi-shoutfest.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:56:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.

Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

I'm familiar with the Brezhnev-Connors hug.

It's one thing to comport oneself with appropriate diginity and with
respect for others, it's another to act obsequiously. It's not
befitting a president of the United States and leader of the free
world, even if the President deems it to be a necessary symbolic
gesture. It's a symbol rooted in a naive ideology.


Both bowed... Eisenhower to de Gaulle???? Can you say right wing meltdown if
that happened now...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...image/42148032

Nixon bowed to Hirohito (in the US I believe) and to the Pope, not to
mention holding hands and kissing the Saudi monarch.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=7031165

Quite some symbolism...

Anything will do for carping. Bush starts two wars and they cheer
with pom poms flying. Obama bows and it's an international incident.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:52:30 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"achmed" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity
Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.
Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

The were probably briefed on protocol and acted accordingly. The current
dip hasn't a clue.


Hmmm... the protocol of not bowing? They both did. You really need to stop
watching Fox news. They lie over and over...

I was watching them last night. To their credit, they had a guy on
who was arguing on behalf of common sense. The only problem was that
Hannity had at least one and maybe two other Fox koolaid drinkers on
the program. So it was either two or three against one in a
semi-shoutfest.


I'm not a big fan of a president bowing, but if someone wants to criticize
Obama, there are many more things of greater import than that.

For example, I think he should be more forceful re the healthcare debate.
Perhaps he's done this behind closed doors, but it needs to be in public. He
needs to stop dithering wrt gays in the military. We're losing good people
for no earthly reason. He needs to continue to defend (and loudly) a woman's
right to choose to terminate a pregancy. The bill that passed in the House
is an abomination, and it is an attempt to do an end run around the legality
of the procedure. He needs to unleash Holder to fully investigate
wrong-doing wrt to torture. He needs to be more forceful wrt to
environmental issues, e.g., cleaning up the Hudson river (just read an
article about it in Harpers). I'm sure there are other things, but bowing is
just a right wing talking point and has no substance.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:22:19 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:52:30 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity
Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.
Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

The were probably briefed on protocol and acted accordingly. The current
dip hasn't a clue.


Hmmm... the protocol of not bowing? They both did. You really need to stop
watching Fox news. They lie over and over...

I was watching them last night. To their credit, they had a guy on
who was arguing on behalf of common sense. The only problem was that
Hannity had at least one and maybe two other Fox koolaid drinkers on
the program. So it was either two or three against one in a
semi-shoutfest.


I'm not a big fan of a president bowing, but if someone wants to criticize
Obama, there are many more things of greater import than that.

For example, I think he should be more forceful re the healthcare debate.
Perhaps he's done this behind closed doors, but it needs to be in public. He
needs to stop dithering wrt gays in the military. We're losing good people
for no earthly reason. He needs to continue to defend (and loudly) a woman's
right to choose to terminate a pregancy. The bill that passed in the House
is an abomination, and it is an attempt to do an end run around the legality
of the procedure. He needs to unleash Holder to fully investigate
wrong-doing wrt to torture. He needs to be more forceful wrt to
environmental issues, e.g., cleaning up the Hudson river (just read an
article about it in Harpers). I'm sure there are other things, but bowing is
just a right wing talking point and has no substance.

Totally agree.

He's very deliberate in his choices, adding inertia and preventing
momentum. Add that he's working on a huge inititive in health care
and it's a risky combo.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:56:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.

Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

I'm familiar with the Brezhnev-Connors hug.

It's one thing to comport oneself with appropriate diginity and with
respect for others, it's another to act obsequiously. It's not
befitting a president of the United States and leader of the free
world, even if the President deems it to be a necessary symbolic
gesture. It's a symbol rooted in a naive ideology.


Both bowed... Eisenhower to de Gaulle???? Can you say right wing meltdown
if
that happened now...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...image/42148032

Nixon bowed to Hirohito (in the US I believe) and to the Pope, not to
mention holding hands and kissing the Saudi monarch.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=7031165

Quite some symbolism...

Anything will do for carping. Bush starts two wars and they cheer
with pom poms flying. Obama bows and it's an international incident.


It was almost as bad as when he and Michelle fist-bumped. I was getting my
hair done earlier in the year, right after Michelle started the organic
garden. Some ditz was sooooo upset about it, claiming it was "demeaning" to
the office (or to the White House... I couldn't figure out which). She went
on and on about it. Finally, I had enough, told her she was an idiot, and
that the original "victory" gardens saved money and food for our troops in
WWII. They have a long tradition. Boy did it get quiet in there.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:56:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.

Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

I'm familiar with the Brezhnev-Connors hug.

It's one thing to comport oneself with appropriate diginity and with
respect for others, it's another to act obsequiously. It's not
befitting a president of the United States and leader of the free
world, even if the President deems it to be a necessary symbolic
gesture. It's a symbol rooted in a naive ideology.


Both bowed... Eisenhower to de Gaulle???? Can you say right wing meltdown
if
that happened now...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...image/42148032

Nixon bowed to Hirohito (in the US I believe) and to the Pope, not to
mention holding hands and kissing the Saudi monarch.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=7031165

Quite some symbolism...

Anything will do for carping. Bush starts two wars and they cheer
with pom poms flying. Obama bows and it's an international incident.


It was almost as bad as when he and Michelle fist-bumped. I was getting my
hair done earlier in the year, right after Michelle started the organic
garden. Some ditz was sooooo upset about it, claiming it was "demeaning" to
the office (or to the White House... I couldn't figure out which). She went
on and on about it. Finally, I had enough, told her she was an idiot, and
that the original "victory" gardens saved money and food for our troops in
WWII. They have a long tradition. Boy did it get quiet in there.

ANYTHING to say something negative about the president and his wife.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:46:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:56:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:55 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Talk about Peter Principle - President Obama has created a whole new
category of incompetence - a Super Peter Principle.

Now there's one he should take a bow for...

Speaking of gratuitous genuflection, I've heard through the grapevine
that the President is unofficially rehearsing for what he expects to
receive from the Queen of England in an invitation to be knighted,
with the understanding that he will invariably earn the honor in the
future (a kind of 'ROI'al investment).


I guess you guys never heard of Eisenhower or Nixon bowing.

I'm familiar with the Brezhnev-Connors hug.

It's one thing to comport oneself with appropriate diginity and with
respect for others, it's another to act obsequiously. It's not
befitting a president of the United States and leader of the free
world, even if the President deems it to be a necessary symbolic
gesture. It's a symbol rooted in a naive ideology.


Both bowed... Eisenhower to de Gaulle???? Can you say right wing meltdown
if
that happened now...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...image/42148032

Nixon bowed to Hirohito (in the US I believe) and to the Pope, not to
mention holding hands and kissing the Saudi monarch.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=7031165

Quite some symbolism...

Anything will do for carping. Bush starts two wars and they cheer
with pom poms flying. Obama bows and it's an international incident.


It was almost as bad as when he and Michelle fist-bumped. I was getting my
hair done earlier in the year, right after Michelle started the organic
garden. Some ditz was sooooo upset about it, claiming it was "demeaning" to
the office (or to the White House... I couldn't figure out which). She went
on and on about it. Finally, I had enough, told her she was an idiot, and
that the original "victory" gardens saved money and food for our troops in
WWII. They have a long tradition. Boy did it get quiet in there.

Cool that you spoke up. It's always interesting to be an observer
where people think they're safe to spout off.