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SteveB November 9th 09 10:50 PM

Boat questions, no shit!
 

"Bill McKee" wrote

They built most of the ramps on the lakes before the lakes were filled.
Lake Oroville has to be down about 150' before the main ramp is above the
waterline.


I've seen lots of landings, and it ranges from, "Boy, that's good" to "WTF
were they thinking?" I remember a tilt trailer I had on a boat in
Louisiana, and when you got to the end of the concrete, it dropped off, and
that was the only way to launch or recover. And even then, you had to be
spot on.

Steve



RG November 9th 09 10:55 PM

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Isn't Mead a pond now?


A really big pond.


I was on the lake a few weeks ago. The lake is down significantly, at 42%
of capacity. Even at that level, the lake is holding 11 million acre-feet
of water. Really big pond, indeed.



SteveB November 9th 09 11:25 PM

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"RG" wrote in message
...

Isn't Mead a pond now?


A really big pond.


I was on the lake a few weeks ago. The lake is down significantly, at 42%
of capacity. Even at that level, the lake is holding 11 million acre-feet
of water. Really big pond, indeed.


Yes, it still is a big pond. Yet, I'd like to go down to Vegas Wash, and
look at swallow's nests that we used to drive up in a boat and touch, and
see them. Wait, you have to hike 100 yards now and look up with binoculars.
There is a huge canyon there where the original Colorado River still holds a
lot of water. But it isn't what it used to be. Lake Powell took a lot of
water away, only to lose it to absorption through the sandstone strata the
lake was made on, or additional evaporation. It's all a testimony to
politics and man's idea that they can control nature. With the Hoover Dam
project, and subsequent dams, Davis, Parker, and Topock Slough, they did a
good job. They controlled the Colorado and provided agricultural water to
California and points south of Hoover Dam. A good thing. Then they decided
to put a big plug upstream at Lake Powell, probably because of pork and
idiocy.

Yah gotta love politics.

Reality. Nature's way of keeping things straight.

Fast forward 1,000 years on "Life after Man".

Steve



RG November 9th 09 11:44 PM

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Yes, it still is a big pond. Yet, I'd like to go down to Vegas Wash, and
look at swallow's nests that we used to drive up in a boat and touch, and
see them. Wait, you have to hike 100 yards now and look up with
binoculars. There is a huge canyon there where the original Colorado River
still holds a lot of water. But it isn't what it used to be. Lake Powell
took a lot of water away, only to lose it to absorption through the
sandstone strata the lake was made on, or additional evaporation. It's
all a testimony to politics and man's idea that they can control nature.
With the Hoover Dam project, and subsequent dams, Davis, Parker, and
Topock Slough, they did a good job. They controlled the Colorado and
provided agricultural water to California and points south of Hoover Dam.
A good thing. Then they decided to put a big plug upstream at Lake
Powell, probably because of pork and idiocy.


The issue of Glen Canyon Dam has been debated to death. In the end, there
are two views. Yours and the other one. I subscribe to the other one.




RG November 10th 09 12:05 AM

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'Powering up' to get your boat on the trailer wreaks havoc with the
launch ramp. The boat should be put on the trailer without using the
engine. Using the winch is good exercise anyway.
--


Obviously, you've never had to put a 12,000 pound cruiser on a trailer. In
that case, the winch is there merely to take up any slack in the bow strap.
You certainly don't drag the boat across the bunks using the silly winch.
Ain't gonna happen. And if you've got the trailer deep enough in the water
to float the boat all the way on to the trailer, then you've got other
problems when you pull the trailer out of the water. The boat will always
settle back away from the bow stop in that situation, and you ain't gonna
winch it back. The only solution is to power the boat to the bow stop with
adequate friction on the bunks due to not submerging the trailer too deep..
At least that's how we do it in the west. I've had various boats in dry
storage at any number of lakes out here, which always involves using their
launch and retrieve service. The marina guy in the truck, me in the boat.
These guys launch boats all day every day, and they know what they're doing.
They call the shots, and without fail, it's always a power-on scenario at
their call

Russ



Rob November 10th 09 01:23 AM

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SteveB wrote:
wrote

Looks like a good boat Got any full shots?


Will post some. I love the layout of this boat, and it is a very restorable
boat that won't cost an arm and a leg. It has tons of level walk around
room, the kind that four people can go fishing in safely in our lakes, and
not get in each other's ways. It's a deep vee, and very stable in the
water. High gunnels. All the lighting works, came with a good fish finder,
1.5 hp troll motor, 40 hp Merc, lots of stuff in the storage cabinets.

It's a little ragged right now, but my list of honeydo projects is getting
shorter, and the boat is ratcheting up. I can do upholstery, so a couple of
new padded benches are in the pipeline. If I have a windfall, I may even
get a tilt replacement for the missing one. But even as is, it is a decent
boat for $1500. I could use it forever and not change a thing, and it would
be good. I'll take a couple of pics next time it's in the water.

Steve



$1500 wouldn't buy the OB motor. That's a great deal!

Rob

Mike[_3_] November 10th 09 03:30 AM

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On Nov 9, 3:23�pm, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:52:29 -0500, "mmc" wrote:
The second looks to be paint oxidation. I'd wax it and see how that works
out. Oxidation on bare aluminum will seal it with a white powder and won't
harm anything.


That is one of the most entirely incorrect things I have ever read.

Remove the paint with an appropriate stripper and aluminum wool (NOT
steel wool), alodine the affected area, prime with zinc chromate
primer, and paint with an appropriate paint.

The oxidation that protects aluminum is not visible. If you can see
corrosion, that is the beginning of "metal decay."

Probably more than you ever wanted to know, but......http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...visoryCircular...
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enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Good call on the corrosion issue...if you can see it it isn't good!
Take care, as winter is coming...not that it amounts to much here in
S.Calif!
Mike

SteveB November 10th 09 04:55 AM

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"RG" wrote in message
...

Yes, it still is a big pond. Yet, I'd like to go down to Vegas Wash, and
look at swallow's nests that we used to drive up in a boat and touch, and
see them. Wait, you have to hike 100 yards now and look up with
binoculars. There is a huge canyon there where the original Colorado
River still holds a lot of water. But it isn't what it used to be. Lake
Powell took a lot of water away, only to lose it to absorption through
the sandstone strata the lake was made on, or additional evaporation.
It's all a testimony to politics and man's idea that they can control
nature. With the Hoover Dam project, and subsequent dams, Davis, Parker,
and Topock Slough, they did a good job. They controlled the Colorado and
provided agricultural water to California and points south of Hoover Dam.
A good thing. Then they decided to put a big plug upstream at Lake
Powell, probably because of pork and idiocy.


The issue of Glen Canyon Dam has been debated to death. In the end, there
are two views. Yours and the other one. I subscribe to the other one.


Yeah. I'm sure the low levels at Lake Mead are due to the carbon dioxide
levels caused by industrial pollution. Like everything else. And the FACT
that 25% of the water never ever reaches Lake Mead, but goes directly into
the earth by absorption. But, hey, you don't want to deal in facts, so
believe whatever you want.

Watch out. There's a bogeyman behind you!

Steve



SteveB November 10th 09 04:57 AM

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"Rob" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
wrote

Looks like a good boat Got any full shots?


Will post some. I love the layout of this boat, and it is a very
restorable
boat that won't cost an arm and a leg. It has tons of level walk around
room, the kind that four people can go fishing in safely in our lakes,
and
not get in each other's ways. It's a deep vee, and very stable in the
water. High gunnels. All the lighting works, came with a good fish
finder,
1.5 hp troll motor, 40 hp Merc, lots of stuff in the storage cabinets.

It's a little ragged right now, but my list of honeydo projects is
getting
shorter, and the boat is ratcheting up. I can do upholstery, so a couple
of
new padded benches are in the pipeline. If I have a windfall, I may even
get a tilt replacement for the missing one. But even as is, it is a
decent
boat for $1500. I could use it forever and not change a thing, and it
would
be good. I'll take a couple of pics next time it's in the water.

Steve



$1500 wouldn't buy the OB motor. That's a great deal!

Rob


I was happy. Still am. Leaves me with a few bucks to dress up the old gal.

Steve



mmc November 10th 09 03:02 PM

Boat questions, no shit!
 

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"mmc" wrote

Looks like a good boat Got any full shots?


Will post some. I love the layout of this boat, and it is a very
restorable boat that won't cost an arm and a leg. It has tons of level
walk around room, the kind that four people can go fishing in safely in
our lakes, and not get in each other's ways. It's a deep vee, and very
stable in the water. High gunnels. All the lighting works, came with a
good fish finder, 1.5 hp troll motor, 40 hp Merc, lots of stuff in the
storage cabinets.

It's a little ragged right now, but my list of honeydo projects is getting
shorter, and the boat is ratcheting up. I can do upholstery, so a couple
of new padded benches are in the pipeline. If I have a windfall, I may
even get a tilt replacement for the missing one. But even as is, it is a
decent boat for $1500. I could use it forever and not change a thing, and
it would be good. I'll take a couple of pics next time it's in the water.

Steve

Steve,
Sounds like a good boat! Not only will it get you on the water but you also
have something to mess with/improve on.
When the T/T crapped out on my Force 50, I did a lot of research and found
"leadersmarine2" on ebay and they had the unit for $659 which was $300 below
what my local shop wanted for the unit. I also fond some used ones on ebay
but shied away since it would/could be such a PITA to get my money back if
the thing didn't work.
I ended up going to a local used parts shop "Funtime Boats" on Merrit
Island, FL and got a used one for $350. I was comfortable with this since I
could see it myself and the owner hooked it to a battery and showed me that
it worked fine.




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