On Nov 7, 10:59*am, Tim Crowley wrote:
On Nov 7, 4:07*am, martin wrote:



Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

Yes, the vast majority of Americans. *You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.


You must live in a different world.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=18

On Nov 8, 1:02*pm, Werner wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:59*am, Tim Crowley wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:07*am, martin wrote:

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

Yes, the vast majority of Americans. *You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.

You must live in a different world.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=18

political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:13:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley
wrote:

political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.

This is a value which is more popular with the Right than with the
Left. But it is a value which seems to be ignored when the other
party is in power. Maybe it just sounds as though it's ignored, and
the Right is hoping for the President's policies to succeed.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Nov 8, 8:13Â*pm, Tim Crowley wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:02Â*pm, Werner wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:59Â*am, Tim Crowley wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:07Â*am, martin wrote:

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

Yes, the vast majority of Americans. Â*You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by..

You must live in a different world.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=18

political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Â*Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.


No the civics lesson I learned was how government was supposed to be
accountable to We The People.
If "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit'' we obviously don't
want, does that not make us accountable to government?
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Accountable.shtml

http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Education.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/PerformanceGap.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/ReportCard.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Schools.shtml

despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,
according to the 2000 Program for International Student Assessment
(PISA) for 15-
year-old students, the U.S. ranked 15th in reading, 18th in
mathematics, and 14th in science literacy among 27 OECD countries
(U.S. DOE, 2001).
http://www.uwm.edu/~kim/papers/Accountability_Final.pdf


"
In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to
acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:

The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges
them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and
what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of
Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure
them.

The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers,
not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully
enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and
it specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated.
Our rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are
sacrosanct. Any government which infringes upon them is engaged in an
intolerable usurpation.
"
www.badnarik.org
-----

A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government
was notÂ*permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e.,
your pursuit ofÂ*happiness was to be unhindered by government.Â*

The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere
with yourÂ*free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the
government cannot infringe yourÂ*gun ownership. What does "right"
to health care mean? It means that the government cannotÂ*stand in
the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your
obtainingÂ*health care. The "right" to an attorney means that the
government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent
you.

Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must
supply youÂ*with something. If your "right" to housing means that
some slave mustÂ*supply you with housing, and your "right" to health
care means that someÂ*slave must supply you with health care, and your
"right" to an attorneyÂ*means that some slave must supply you with an
attorney, does your "right" toÂ*free speech mean that some slave must
supply you with a loudspeaker, or TVÂ*air time? Does your "right" to
own guns mean that some slave must supplyÂ*you with guns?


http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Rights.shtml

Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
Â*----

http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.

http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2008...onal-debt.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp8Zm...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSoX...eature=related

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:51:43 -0800 (PST), Werner
wrote:

despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,

I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. The goal
isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
best educated work force. So that's what should be measured.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Nov 9, 6:52*pm, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:51:43 -0800 (PST), Werner
wrote:

despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,

I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. * *The goal
isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
best educated work force. * *So that's what should be measured.

--


There is probably a correlation between poor early education and
lifetime learning.

I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. The goal
isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
best educated work force. So that's what should be measured.

I can see you have had no experience in the past ten years with hiring
personnel. It is a rarity when you can find one who can properly fill out
an application. Oh, yes, I know when you're hiring someone for cleanup or
menial job positions that you don't need an English major, but it is nice to
have someone who can spell and tell you what ten percent of ten is without
having to use a computer for a minute, then come up with a guess.

Steve

SteveB wrote:
I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. The goal
isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
best educated work force. So that's what should be measured.

I can see you have had no experience in the past ten years with hiring
personnel. It is a rarity when you can find one who can properly fill out
an application. Oh, yes, I know when you're hiring someone for cleanup or
menial job positions that you don't need an English major, but it is nice to
have someone who can spell and tell you what ten percent of ten is without
having to use a computer for a minute, then come up with a guess.

Steve


I don't know who you are responding to but education doesn't NECESSARILY
equate to intelligence or common sense or analytical skills or knowledge
or life experiences. There's a lot of folks out there with multiple
sheepskins that can't tie their shoes or operate a microwave oven.