On Nov 7, 10:59*am, Tim Crowley wrote:
On Nov 7, 4:07*am, martin wrote:



Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

Yes, the vast majority of Americans. *You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.


You must live in a different world.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=18

On Nov 8, 1:02*pm, Werner wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:59*am, Tim Crowley wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:07*am, martin wrote:

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

Yes, the vast majority of Americans. *You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.

You must live in a different world.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=18

political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:13:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley
wrote:

political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.

This is a value which is more popular with the Right than with the
Left. But it is a value which seems to be ignored when the other
party is in power. Maybe it just sounds as though it's ignored, and
the Right is hoping for the President's policies to succeed.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Nov 8, 8:13Â*pm, Tim Crowley wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:02Â*pm, Werner wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:59Â*am, Tim Crowley wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:07Â*am, martin wrote:

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

Yes, the vast majority of Americans. Â*You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by..

You must live in a different world.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=18

political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Â*Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.


No the civics lesson I learned was how government was supposed to be
accountable to We The People.
If "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit'' we obviously don't
want, does that not make us accountable to government?
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Accountable.shtml

http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Education.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/PerformanceGap.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/ReportCard.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Schools.shtml

despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,
according to the 2000 Program for International Student Assessment
(PISA) for 15-
year-old students, the U.S. ranked 15th in reading, 18th in
mathematics, and 14th in science literacy among 27 OECD countries
(U.S. DOE, 2001).
http://www.uwm.edu/~kim/papers/Accountability_Final.pdf


"
In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to
acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:

The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges
them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and
what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of
Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure
them.

The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers,
not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully
enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and
it specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated.
Our rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are
sacrosanct. Any government which infringes upon them is engaged in an
intolerable usurpation.
"
www.badnarik.org
-----

A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government
was notÂ*permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e.,
your pursuit ofÂ*happiness was to be unhindered by government.Â*

The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere
with yourÂ*free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the
government cannot infringe yourÂ*gun ownership. What does "right"
to health care mean? It means that the government cannotÂ*stand in
the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your
obtainingÂ*health care. The "right" to an attorney means that the
government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent
you.

Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must
supply youÂ*with something. If your "right" to housing means that
some slave mustÂ*supply you with housing, and your "right" to health
care means that someÂ*slave must supply you with health care, and your
"right" to an attorneyÂ*means that some slave must supply you with an
attorney, does your "right" toÂ*free speech mean that some slave must
supply you with a loudspeaker, or TVÂ*air time? Does your "right" to
own guns mean that some slave must supplyÂ*you with guns?


http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Rights.shtml

Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
Â*----

http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.

http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2008...onal-debt.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp8Zm...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSoX...eature=related

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:51:43 -0800 (PST), Werner
wrote:

despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,

I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. The goal
isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
best educated work force. So that's what should be measured.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Stop lying.

Jax wrote:
Stop lying.

That's all the republicans know how to do......................

On Nov 7, 5:07*am, martin wrote:
On Nov 7, 5:01*am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now"
wrote:



Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance

November 05, 2009

Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. *Harry Reid
REALLY loves illegal aliens.

GOP Senator Sessions of Alabama introduced an amendment that would
permanently use the E-Verify system to keep illegal aliens from
receiving unemployment benefits. *How did the vote go?

"Unfortunately, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) filed a motion
to cut off debate (i.e., invoke cloture) on the unemployment
compensation extension bill without first allowing the Senate to vote
on the Sessions amendment. The Senate agreed to Reids cloture motion,
effectively stalling any forward momentum on the Sessions amendment."

Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid did not allow a vote on the
amendment--that is one way to kill democracy in the Senate!

If anybody tells you that Democrats are concerned about illegal aliens
tell them about what Reid did to protect criminals stealing money from
honest Americans.

Shame on the media for not discussing this. *This is why folks watch
Fox News and laugh at CNN and the rest.

Read mo

Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
November 05, 2009,http://capoliticalnews.com/blog_post/show/3491
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

* * * What Would America's Founders Say?

* The two enemies of the people are criminals
* and government, so let us tie the second down
* with the chains of the Constitution so the
* second will not become the legalized version
* of the first.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Those who hammer their guns into plows will
* plow for those who do not.
* *--Thomas Jefferson

* It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
* rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
* setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
* men.
* --Samuel Adams

* The strongest reason for the people to retain
* the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
* resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
* in government.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* *A free people ought not only to be armed and
* *disciplined, but they should have sufficient
* *arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
* *independence from any who might attempt to
* *abuse them, which would include their own
* *government."
-- George Washington

* No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* If the freedom of speech is taken away then
* dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
* the slaughter.
* -- George Washington

* When governments fear the people there is liberty.
* When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
* *standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
* *populace.
* * -- James Madison

* If the representatives of the people betray
* their constituents, there is then no resource
* left but in the exertion of that original
* right of self-defense which is paramount to
* all positive forms of government ... The
* citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
* without concert, without system, without
* resource; except in their courage and despair
* ... The natural strength of the people in a
* large community, in proportion to the artificial
* strength of the government, is greater than in a
* small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
* be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
* -- Alexander Hamilton

* All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
* of good conscience to remain silent.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Every government degenerates when trusted to the
* rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
* are its only safe depositories.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
* so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
* Action will delineate and define you.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
* stand on does not constitute so strong an
* attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
* of our monied corporations which dare already to
* challenge our government to a trial by strength,
* and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* I believe that banking institutions are more
* dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
* forms of government those entrusted with power
* have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
* it into tyranny.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* A Founding Father speaks out on
* what's nowadays called "political correctness":

* A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
* called "political correctness":

* Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
* your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
* politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
* are so often used, are but three different names
* for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
* --John Adams

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

tt

More on this disaster:

http://www.numbersusa.com/*Numbers USA

If you want to go after illegal aliens the way to do it is with a
comprehensive immigration bill. It doesn't accomplish anything to
merely harass them and try to make their life's miserable and pass
laws that are a pain in the neck for business and ordinary citizens
too.

The Republicans had 8 years to do something about it and like health
care, they did nothing: zilch, zero, nada, nil, naught, goose egg. In
fact, George Bush tried to give them amnesty.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:11:44 -0800 (PST), mg
wrote:

On Nov 7, 5:07Â*am, martin wrote:
On Nov 7, 5:01Â*am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now"
wrote:



Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance

November 05, 2009

Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. Â*Harry Reid
REALLY loves illegal aliens.

GOP Senator Sessions of Alabama introduced an amendment that would
permanently use the E-Verify system to keep illegal aliens from
receiving unemployment benefits. Â*How did the vote go?

"Unfortunately, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) filed a motion
to cut off debate (i.e., invoke cloture) on the unemployment
compensation extension bill without first allowing the Senate to vote
on the Sessions amendment. The Senate agreed to Reids cloture motion,
effectively stalling any forward momentum on the Sessions amendment."

Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid did not allow a vote on the
amendment--that is one way to kill democracy in the Senate!

If anybody tells you that Democrats are concerned about illegal aliens
tell them about what Reid did to protect criminals stealing money from
honest Americans.

Shame on the media for not discussing this. Â*This is why folks watch
Fox News and laugh at CNN and the rest.

Read mo

Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
November 05, 2009,http://capoliticalnews.com/blog_post/show/3491
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Â* Â* Â* What Would America's Founders Say?

Â* The two enemies of the people are criminals
Â* and government, so let us tie the second down
Â* with the chains of the Constitution so the
Â* second will not become the legalized version
Â* of the first.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Those who hammer their guns into plows will
Â* plow for those who do not.
Â* Â*--Thomas Jefferson

Â* It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
Â* rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
Â* setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
Â* men.
Â* --Samuel Adams

Â* The strongest reason for the people to retain
Â* the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
Â* resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
Â* in government.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Â*A free people ought not only to be armed and
Â* Â*disciplined, but they should have sufficient
Â* Â*arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
Â* Â*independence from any who might attempt to
Â* Â*abuse them, which would include their own
Â* Â*government."
-- George Washington

Â* No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* If the freedom of speech is taken away then
Â* dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
Â* the slaughter.
Â* -- George Washington

Â* When governments fear the people there is liberty.
Â* When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
Â* Â*standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
Â* Â*populace.
Â* Â* -- James Madison

Â* If the representatives of the people betray
Â* their constituents, there is then no resource
Â* left but in the exertion of that original
Â* right of self-defense which is paramount to
Â* all positive forms of government ... The
Â* citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
Â* without concert, without system, without
Â* resource; except in their courage and despair
Â* ... The natural strength of the people in a
Â* large community, in proportion to the artificial
Â* strength of the government, is greater than in a
Â* small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
Â* be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
Â* -- Alexander Hamilton

Â* All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
Â* of good conscience to remain silent.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Every government degenerates when trusted to the
Â* rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
Â* are its only safe depositories.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
Â* so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Â* Action will delineate and define you.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
Â* stand on does not constitute so strong an
Â* attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
Â* of our monied corporations which dare already to
Â* challenge our government to a trial by strength,
Â* and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* I believe that banking institutions are more
Â* dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
Â* forms of government those entrusted with power
Â* have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
Â* it into tyranny.
Â* -- Thomas Jefferson

Â* A Founding Father speaks out on
Â* what's nowadays called "political correctness":

Â* A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
Â* called "political correctness":

Â* Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
Â* your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
Â* politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
Â* are so often used, are but three different names
Â* for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
Â* --John Adams

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

tt

More on this disaster:

http://www.numbersusa.com/Â*Numbers USA

If you want to go after illegal aliens the way to do it is with a
comprehensive immigration bill. It doesn't accomplish anything to
merely harass them and try to make their life's miserable and pass
laws that are a pain in the neck for business and ordinary citizens
too.

The Republicans had 8 years to do something about it and like health
care, they did nothing: zilch, zero, nada, nil, naught, goose egg. In
fact, George Bush tried to give them amnesty.



Amnesty is like a sweet cake. Once it eaten, it is gone while the real
problems remains.

DCI

On Nov 7, 6:01*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:11:44 -0800 (PST), mg
wrote:



On Nov 7, 5:07*am, martin wrote:
On Nov 7, 5:01*am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now"
wrote:

Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance

November 05, 2009

Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. *Harry Reid
REALLY loves illegal aliens.

GOP Senator Sessions of Alabama introduced an amendment that would
permanently use the E-Verify system to keep illegal aliens from
receiving unemployment benefits. *How did the vote go?

"Unfortunately, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) filed a motion
to cut off debate (i.e., invoke cloture) on the unemployment
compensation extension bill without first allowing the Senate to vote
on the Sessions amendment. The Senate agreed to Reids cloture motion,
effectively stalling any forward momentum on the Sessions amendment."

Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid did not allow a vote on the
amendment--that is one way to kill democracy in the Senate!

If anybody tells you that Democrats are concerned about illegal aliens
tell them about what Reid did to protect criminals stealing money from
honest Americans.

Shame on the media for not discussing this. *This is why folks watch
Fox News and laugh at CNN and the rest.

Read mo

Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
November 05, 2009,http://capoliticalnews.com/blog_post/show/3491
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

* * * What Would America's Founders Say?

* The two enemies of the people are criminals
* and government, so let us tie the second down
* with the chains of the Constitution so the
* second will not become the legalized version
* of the first.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Those who hammer their guns into plows will
* plow for those who do not.
* *--Thomas Jefferson

* It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
* rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
* setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
* men.
* --Samuel Adams

* The strongest reason for the people to retain
* the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
* resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
* in government.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* *A free people ought not only to be armed and
* *disciplined, but they should have sufficient
* *arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
* *independence from any who might attempt to
* *abuse them, which would include their own
* *government."
-- George Washington

* No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* If the freedom of speech is taken away then
* dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
* the slaughter.
* -- George Washington

* When governments fear the people there is liberty.
* When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
* *standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
* *populace.
* * -- James Madison

* If the representatives of the people betray
* their constituents, there is then no resource
* left but in the exertion of that original
* right of self-defense which is paramount to
* all positive forms of government ... The
* citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
* without concert, without system, without
* resource; except in their courage and despair
* ... The natural strength of the people in a
* large community, in proportion to the artificial
* strength of the government, is greater than in a
* small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
* be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
* -- Alexander Hamilton

* All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
* of good conscience to remain silent.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Every government degenerates when trusted to the
* rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
* are its only safe depositories.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
* so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
* Action will delineate and define you.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
* stand on does not constitute so strong an
* attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
* of our monied corporations which dare already to
* challenge our government to a trial by strength,
* and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* I believe that banking institutions are more
* dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
* forms of government those entrusted with power
* have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
* it into tyranny.
* -- Thomas Jefferson

* A Founding Father speaks out on
* what's nowadays called "political correctness":

* A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
* called "political correctness":

* Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
* your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
* politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
* are so often used, are but three different names
* for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
* --John Adams

Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?

tt

More on this disaster:

http://www.numbersusa.com/*Numbers USA

If you want to go after illegal aliens the way to do it is with a
comprehensive immigration bill. It doesn't accomplish anything to
merely harass them and try to make their life's miserable and pass
laws that are a pain in the neck for business and ordinary citizens
too.

The Republicans had 8 years to do something about it and like health
care, they did nothing: zilch, zero, nada, nil, naught, goose egg. In
fact, George Bush tried to give them amnesty.

Amnesty is like a sweet cake. Once it eaten, it is gone while the real
problems remains.

DCI

I always favored amnesty along with a good fence and strict
enforcement. The problem is that both the Democratic party and the
Republican party actually like illegal immigration. So, what we would
probably wind up with is amnesty with no fence. Business likes illegal
immigration because of the cheaper labor and the Democrats like it
because of the votes. The only ones that don't like it is the
overwhelming majority of the American people which doesn't seem to
matter much.