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Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican
than George Bush.

And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich...
that really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation
much, much worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget
that part?

--
Nom=de=Plume


We never had a surplus! And there was no way were going to ever have a
surplus. All the off budget BS that is required spending. And the Dot.com
bubble was burst, and the income was going to drop. but Congress and the
Executive branch had committed a lot of that bubble money to future
programs. And that was caused by Dems and Repubs alike.

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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time
to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when
the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting
out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of
business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in
California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet
sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the
tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were
not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take
it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now.
But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good
paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re
heathcare.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business
can not make a decent profit, then the business will close.

Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the
kitchen.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:47:11 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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"BAR" wrote in message
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Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for
no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George
got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial
comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than
George
Bush.

Have a look at this and see if you continue to agree with the above...


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp

And that has what to do with the discussion?

Why the hell would GW Bush demand those gigantic tax cuts if we were
headed towards the ****ter? Didn't he know any better?

Because, as I said Bush was worse than Clinton. Neither helped the
economy. Clinton looked good because Greenspan let a bubble build.

Untrue. Clinton's terms were much better for the economy. The economy
expanded, unemployment was very low. Greenspan didn't look carefully enough
at what was happening, but you can't blame him for what happened 10 years
later.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"BAR" wrote in message
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Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican
than George Bush.

And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich...
that really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation
much, much worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget
that part?

--
Nom=de=Plume


We never had a surplus! And there was no way were going to ever have a
surplus. All the off budget BS that is required spending. And the
Dot.com bubble was burst, and the income was going to drop. but Congress
and the Executive branch had committed a lot of that bubble money to
future programs. And that was caused by Dems and Repubs alike.

I said, "We were on track to having a surplus."

--
Nom=de=Plume

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:47:11 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on
getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for
no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George
got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial
comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than
George
Bush.

Have a look at this and see if you continue to agree with the above...


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp

And that has what to do with the discussion?

Why the hell would GW Bush demand those gigantic tax cuts if we were
headed towards the ****ter? Didn't he know any better?

Because, as I said Bush was worse than Clinton. Neither helped the
economy. Clinton looked good because Greenspan let a bubble build.

Untrue. Clinton's terms were much better for the economy. The economy
expanded, unemployment was very low. Greenspan didn't look carefully
enough at what was happening, but you can't blame him for what happened 10
years later.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually he caused the 10 year later bust. He lowered the interest rates
too far to combat the dot.com meltdown. Caused the housing bubble along
with the Feds agreement through Fannie and Freddie to buy any mortgage. And
now Bernacke, and O have caused a 3rd bubble of the stock market. Most of
the rise in the stock market has been financials and never in the history of
the market has it risen 50% in 6 months. Keep stops on your stocks.

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take
time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment.
Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when
the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting
out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of
business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in
California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet
sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the
tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were
not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take
it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now.
But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good
paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re
heathcare.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business
can not make a decent profit, then the business will close.

Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the
kitchen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get
more business closing and more unemployment.

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for
no good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of
the financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better
Republican than George Bush.

And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich...
that really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation
much, much worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget
that part?

--
Nom=de=Plume


We never had a surplus! And there was no way were going to ever have a
surplus. All the off budget BS that is required spending. And the
Dot.com bubble was burst, and the income was going to drop. but Congress
and the Executive branch had committed a lot of that bubble money to
future programs. And that was caused by Dems and Repubs alike.

I said, "We were on track to having a surplus."

--
Nom=de=Plume


And we were never on track to having a surplus.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take
time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment.
Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when
the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting
out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of
business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in
California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet
sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the
tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were
not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take
it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now.
But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good
paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re
heathcare.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business
can not make a decent profit, then the business will close.

Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the
kitchen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get
more business closing and more unemployment.

This must be a joke or you're lying.

The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are
being weighed down by the escalating costs.

My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that
health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that.
Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost
on our lawmakers.

So, are you ignorant or are you lying?

On Nov 7, 9:47*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Nov 7, 5:03*am, TopBassDog wrote:



On Nov 6, 3:50*pm, H the K wrote:

On 11/6/09 4:41 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, *wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

*wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. *Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. *Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. *It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. *Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.

I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you
could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before
apartheid ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you.

I think all you over the edge lefties would feel a lot better if you
*just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country
you
*could run on your own terms...a country like Russia before
*C.C.C.P. ended, eh?

*No one would miss any of you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, unhinged right wing speak at it's finest!

And what unhinged speak was this from Krause?

" I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if
you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country
you
could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before
apartheid ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you."

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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take
time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment.
Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small
businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for
growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney
Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards
to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when
the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did
starting
out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of
business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in
California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in
internet
sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the
tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we
were
not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car?
Take
it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints
now.
But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the
good
paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re
heathcare.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a
business
can not make a decent profit, then the business will close.

Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of
the
kitchen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get
more business closing and more unemployment.

This must be a joke or you're lying.

The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are
being weighed down by the escalating costs.

My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that
health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that.
Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost
on our lawmakers.

So, are you ignorant or are you lying?

Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health
care?