On Nov 7, 5:03*am, TopBassDog wrote:
On Nov 6, 3:50*pm, H the K wrote:





On 11/6/09 4:41 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, *wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

*wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl....

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. *Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. *Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. *It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. *Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.

I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you
could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before
apartheid ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you.

I think all you over the edge lefties would feel a lot better if you
*just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country
you
*could run on your own terms...a country like Russia before
*C.C.C.P. ended, eh?

*No one would miss any of you.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh, unhinged right wing speak at it's finest!

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time
to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

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Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the
minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and
learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too
much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise
the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like
me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state.
Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to
Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body
shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter
without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re
heathcare.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"SteveB" wrote in message
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"BAR" wrote in message
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Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.

Before the campaign, all we heard was jobs, jobs, jobs. Now all we hear
about are how many jobs were created or "saved". Inflated imaginings
are what they are. And now we are all hearing about how many jobs this
health manifesto will create.

My question is: When?

Steve

The unemployment claims are dropping every month from a high of 700K to
190K last month. I know this bothers you, but things are getting better,
or rather, the rate of unemployment is slowing.

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Nom=de=Plume


The rate of unemployment should now be negative according to the reasons
for the stimulus package.



No. It typically takes a year at a minimum for job numbers to turn positive.
In a deep recession, it takes even longer.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:45:26 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.

Before the campaign, all we heard was jobs, jobs, jobs. Now all we
hear
about are how many jobs were created or "saved". Inflated imaginings
are
what they are. And now we are all hearing about how many jobs this
health manifesto will create.

My question is: When?

Steve

The unemployment claims are dropping every month from a high of 700K to
190K last month. I know this bothers you, but things are getting
better,
or rather, the rate of unemployment is slowing.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The rate of unemployment should now be negative according to the reasons
for
the stimulus package.


By who's measure?

O and the crew pushing the "stimulus" package. Thats who.

Nope. Show us where either said that.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George
got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican
than George Bush.

And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich... that
really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation much, much
worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget that part?

--
Nom=de=Plume

"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:47:11 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for
no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George
got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial
comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than
George
Bush.

Have a look at this and see if you continue to agree with the above...


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp

And that has what to do with the discussion?

Why the hell would GW Bush demand those gigantic tax cuts if we were
headed towards the ****ter? Didn't he know any better?


No. He didn't. He was being advised by Cheney who did.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:43:30 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George
got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican
than George Bush.

And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich... that
really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation much, much
worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget that part?

Surpluses are to be spent in the world of GW Bush. He never had to
account for anything in his professional life. Failures were always
covered by daddy and his friends. US resources were just another
daddy-type account to draw on for GW.

Didn't hear these dildo Republicans bitching then. "It's our
money!!!" they screamed. Turns out it was China's...

"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:07:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:45:26 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.

Before the campaign, all we heard was jobs, jobs, jobs. Now all we
hear
about are how many jobs were created or "saved". Inflated imaginings
are
what they are. And now we are all hearing about how many jobs this
health manifesto will create.

My question is: When?

Steve

The unemployment claims are dropping every month from a high of 700K
to
190K last month. I know this bothers you, but things are getting
better,
or rather, the rate of unemployment is slowing.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The rate of unemployment should now be negative according to the reasons
for
the stimulus package.


By who's measure?

O and the crew pushing the "stimulus" package. Thats who.

I can't imagine you wanting to read such propaganda.

Can you point me to any place that has such information?

Google.

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:47:11 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf-
563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104

When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and
responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is
saying
if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting
undone what Bush did.


Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us
embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for
no
good reason.

When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before
George
got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the
financial
comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than
George
Bush.

Have a look at this and see if you continue to agree with the above...


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp

And that has what to do with the discussion?

Why the hell would GW Bush demand those gigantic tax cuts if we were
headed towards the ****ter? Didn't he know any better?

Because, as I said Bush was worse than Clinton. Neither helped the economy.
Clinton looked good because Greenspan let a bubble build.

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time
to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the
minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out
and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business
too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California.
Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People
like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another
state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip
to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state.
Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home
painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re
heathcare.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can
not make a decent profit, then the business will close.