"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 9:56 am, H the K wrote:
On 11/6/09 9:39 AM, Tosk wrote:



Well, at 10.2 % unemployment, the stimulous didn't work.

No amount of "stimulous" will convince a real employer to hire a loser
like you, Ingersoll.

You should expect 12.5% unemployment by June 2010. Us employers have
gone on strike against the Obamination and his cronies who caused the
economic meltdown. As long as Dodd, Frank and Obama are still in
office or still have power, nobody will invest. At least Corzine who
benefited from the meltdown got kicked out.
So, you can either vote people out in the 2010 election or learn to
say "Welcome to WalMart".


Reply: Completely untrue. the unemployment rate will still climb slightly,
but as productivity increases at some point no significant gains can be had
with current employees, orders (which are increasing) will force companies
to hire. The turning point should be mid-2010.

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On Nov 6, 1:51*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message

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On Nov 6, 9:56 am, H the K wrote:

On 11/6/09 9:39 AM, Tosk wrote:

Well, at 10.2 % unemployment, the stimulous didn't work.

No amount of "stimulous" will convince a real employer to hire a loser
like you, Ingersoll.

You should expect 12.5% unemployment by June 2010. *Us employers have
gone on strike against the Obamination and his cronies who caused the
economic meltdown. *As long as Dodd, Frank and Obama are still in
office or still have power, nobody will invest. *At least Corzine who
benefited from the meltdown got kicked out.
So, you can either vote people out in the 2010 election or learn to
say "Welcome to WalMart".

Reply: Completely untrue. the unemployment rate will still climb slightly,
but as productivity increases at some point no significant gains can be had
with current employees, orders (which are increasing) will force companies
to hire. The turning point should be mid-2010.

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Nom=de=Plume

We should all feel so good, the second derivative is getting smaller,
ie the rate of increase is getting smaller. Note, unemployment is
still getting larger and is far beyond anything Obama said would
happen under his porkulus that has done so much to cause
unemployment. Of course with his ideas on punishing small business by
hitting em with an 8% tax for not supplying health care, you can
expect unemployment to jump sharply if they pass this monstrosity.
Most employers know they can do well with fewer employees and when
they consider this 8% they will immediately cut employees.
Outsourcing to no benefit independent contractors will be far cheaper
than employees and using software or robots to do stuff will be much
more attractive than new employees. Obama is providing the incentive
to produce permanent unemployment above 10%. Even burger flippers
will be replaced by machines and all the Wal Mart greeters will be
replaced by cutesy "HelloKitty" style robots who will not require
bennies. Welcome to Obamanomics where only party members have jobs.
I refuse to hire and refuse to invest in Obama's Soros inspired
socialist economy.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 1:51 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message

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On Nov 6, 9:56 am, H the K wrote:

On 11/6/09 9:39 AM, Tosk wrote:

Well, at 10.2 % unemployment, the stimulous didn't work.

No amount of "stimulous" will convince a real employer to hire a loser
like you, Ingersoll.

You should expect 12.5% unemployment by June 2010. Us employers have
gone on strike against the Obamination and his cronies who caused the
economic meltdown. As long as Dodd, Frank and Obama are still in
office or still have power, nobody will invest. At least Corzine who
benefited from the meltdown got kicked out.
So, you can either vote people out in the 2010 election or learn to
say "Welcome to WalMart".

Reply: Completely untrue. the unemployment rate will still climb slightly,
but as productivity increases at some point no significant gains can be
had
with current employees, orders (which are increasing) will force companies
to hire. The turning point should be mid-2010.

--
Nom=de=Plume

We should all feel so good, the second derivative is getting smaller,
ie the rate of increase is getting smaller. Note, unemployment is

Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

still getting larger and is far beyond anything Obama said would
happen under his porkulus that has done so much to cause
unemployment. Of course with his ideas on punishing small business by

The problems are pretty bad. The stimulus (started during Bush's tenure) did
make a difference on many things, including financial stability and job
loss.

hitting em with an 8% tax for not supplying health care, you can
expect unemployment to jump sharply if they pass this monstrosity.

A public option or stiff healthcare company regulations will lower costs.
Please show me where it says it would "punish" small business.

Most employers know they can do well with fewer employees and when
they consider this 8% they will immediately cut employees.

Up to a point, but then they'll need to expand if the company wants to grow.
This is basic economics.

Outsourcing to no benefit independent contractors will be far cheaper
than employees and using software or robots to do stuff will be much
more attractive than new employees. Obama is providing the incentive

Outsourcing has always been less expensive for non-core functions... at
least in modern times. That's no argument for or against HC reform, except
that independents would have affordable coverage available with a public
option.

to produce permanent unemployment above 10%. Even burger flippers
will be replaced by machines and all the Wal Mart greeters will be
replaced by cutesy "HelloKitty" style robots who will not require
bennies. Welcome to Obamanomics where only party members have jobs.

Totally ridiculous comment. Why don't you just start out with calling him a
socialist. Then, we wouldn't have to wade through the previous stuff.

I refuse to hire and refuse to invest in Obama's Soros inspired
socialist economy.

Feel free to move to whatever country would better represent your economic
views.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp

On Nov 6, 4:06*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.

On 11/6/09 4:41 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you
could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before
apartheid ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you.

H the K wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:41 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take
time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you
could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before
apartheid ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you.

Better yet. You can go to Costa Rica and hook up with one of those busty
Cheeky Fahitas. you fawn over.

On Nov 6, 3:50*pm, H the K wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:41 PM, Frogwatch wrote:



On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, *wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

*wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl....

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. *Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. *Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. *It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. *Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.

I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you
could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before
apartheid ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you.


I think all you over the edge lefties would feel a lot better if you
just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country
you
could run on your own terms...a country like Russia before
C.C.C.P. ended, eh?

No one would miss any of you.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

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Nom=de=Plume

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there
were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum
wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning
how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and
the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax
to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were
planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on
$800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice
paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water
based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and
filters can use the good paint.