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... In article , says... Bill McKee wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? OMG Is she really that stupid? Apparently so... Kids, geeze.... Apparently neither of you can handle watching the evening news. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:15:23 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:23:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:AqGdnbe6VKNOLGrXnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlin k.com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). You have an opponent who will turn a blind eye to anything that will not support his prejudiced views. He wants to hate government, he wants to hate Obama. He's going to do whatever he can to maintain those positions, hell or high water. Well, I prefer to think of Bill as someone who would take a reasonable view if he made an effort to think through the situation and look at the facts. Even if he doesn't believe that the heathcare legislation would create more competition, he should be aware of the argument that it does do so. He ask how the gov't was going to reduce over all costs. I replied by creating more competition, which is the standard of economic process toward that goal. The response (how?) makes no sense, given what is being talked about all over the US. He's a curmudgeon -- keeps those blinders adjusted real tight. Tight enough to cut off blood flow. The argument against the public option could take several different tacts. Most likely, however, it'll include his disdain for government subsidized programs that cost tax $. Then he'll argue that they'd better not cut off his medicare coverage in order to offer a public option. That'd be tacks. Tact is the last thing I'd expect. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? |
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On 11/9/09 5:45 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? D'oh...the answer is, they won't be competing. Different markets. Sheesh. Right-wing morons...there's no end to them. |
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On 11/9/09 4:07 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? Nom, you are dealing with right-wing morons. That's the answer. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? By offering added value. Personally, I don't care how they compete, since it should not be about competition. It should be about allowing all to have affordable healthcare without restrictions for "pre-existing" conditions. If you prefer heavy regulation instead of a public option, I'm all for it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On 11/9/09 6:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? By offering added value. Personally, I don't care how they compete, since it should not be about competition. It should be about allowing all to have affordable healthcare without restrictions for "pre-existing" conditions. If you prefer heavy regulation instead of a public option, I'm all for it. McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? Geez, I'll never understand. Don't you "libertarians" always assume that private enterprise can deliver products at a far higher level of efficiency than government ever could? If the agency that offers the public insurance option isn't allowed to operate at a loss, then all we're talking about is the cost of overhead and profit. Seems like your very much more efficient private enterprise could kick government's ass even having to be profitable, right? Mouth. Two. Sides? |
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