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On 11/5/09 4:01 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
"New York City health officials scrambled to explain themselves on
Thursday following outraged media reports about bankers who got scarce
H1N1 flu vaccines through their employers.

Members of Congress fired off letters demanding immediate explanations
and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reminded state
and city health officers of the need to make sure the most vulnerable
people get shots first."

"....16 of the city's 25 biggest employers had vaccine, including
Columbia University, Citi Group and others, as well as the Federal
Reserve Bank, which is not among the top 25 employers."
and Change.

Kathleen Sebelius is incompetent and should be fired immediately.
She's in charge and she blew it.


This from a yahoo whose highest achievement in life was a stint in the
marines?

snerk

You used to judge people by how high their degrees were piled. This must
make you crap, as Tom's is piled higher and deeper than yours. And he most
likely got it in a North Eastern School and not Kansas.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

I guarantee and would put money on the fact that I live in a more
culturally diverse neighborhood and section of town than you.

My kids go to school with kids from 23 nationalties and every religion
you could think of. Public school. Central city.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.

Go sell some insurance to some poor sucker.

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
your assumption of such.

But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.


??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :)

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

I know you're whining your little ass off about what's happening with
health care. Are people going to die as a result? Will more dollars
be committed to health care than were focused on war over the last 8
years?

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:43 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
your assumption of such.

But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.

Even in Mode Pugulist, your insults lack panache.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:40:22 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:43 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
your assumption of such.

But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.

Even in Mode Pugulist, your insults lack panache.

My spellchecker lied to me. "Pugulist" is actually "Pugilist.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped ditheringly

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:40:22 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:43 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
your assumption of such.

But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.

Even in Mode Pugulist, your insults lack panache.

I'm not aiming for panache. That's you and Ms. Prejean's cup of tea.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.


??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :)

He's a homophobe. You too?

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:45:40 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped ditheringly

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

Sorry, I asked you the questions first. You answer mine, I'll answer
yours. That's how it works in civil, reasoned exchanges.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:47:14 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.


??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :)

He's a homophobe. You too?

Designing phantoms...

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:50:58 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:45:40 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped ditheringly

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

Sorry, I asked you the questions first. You answer mine, I'll answer
yours. That's how it works in civil, reasoned exchanges.

A reasoned exchange wouldn't be one that begs the question. There is
no rational answer for a logical fallacy other than to correct the
fallacy. And I doubt, considering your history, that you would accept
correction.

So I'll repeat a question that doesn't strive for fallacy;

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:02:27 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:50:58 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:45:40 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped ditheringly

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

Sorry, I asked you the questions first. You answer mine, I'll answer
yours. That's how it works in civil, reasoned exchanges.

A reasoned exchange wouldn't be one that begs the question. There is
no rational answer for a logical fallacy other than to correct the
fallacy. And I doubt, considering your history, that you would accept
correction.

So I'll repeat a question that doesn't strive for fallacy;

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

G'nite.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:51:11 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:47:14 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.


??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :)

He's a homophobe. You too?

Designing phantoms...

Uh, I didn't call out the fact that Bromances and Lesbian Bodice
Rippers are penned in Seattle. That he assumes that the whiteness of
my area or that writers exist in the city has any relevance to my
state of mind is ludicrous.

If he projects that those environmental attributes affect my thinking,
he obviously thinks it'd affect his. It's quite clear he's not strong
enough to resist such influences. Therefore, he must be a homophobe.

Sweet dreams Mr. Insurance Salesman.

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

I guarantee and would put money on the fact that I live in a more
culturally diverse neighborhood and section of town than you.

My kids go to school with kids from 23 nationalties and every religion
you could think of. Public school. Central city.

Your kids may live in diversity.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt
civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)


I haven't done that in a long time. :)

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

One step away from going postal I suspect. The open hostility towards
different views indicates extreme isolation - akin to Charles Manson
or Ted Kaczynski. You could almost consider Seattle a compound
similar to David Koresh's Branch Davidians only with a different focal
point.

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:17:17 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

I guarantee and would put money on the fact that I live in a more
culturally diverse neighborhood and section of town than you.

My kids go to school with kids from 23 nationalties and every religion
you could think of. Public school. Central city.

Your kids may live in diversity.

I know my kids friend's parents.

They're all shapes, sizes, colors, nationalities, religions.

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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:26:23 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

One step away from going postal I suspect. The open hostility towards
different views indicates extreme isolation - akin to Charles Manson
or Ted Kaczynski. You could almost consider Seattle a compound
similar to David Koresh's Branch Davidians only with a different focal
point.

You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
and climate change and you **** on Democrats and liberals in them.

Don't even start with your holier than thou bull****.

You're a player in this game so don't try to distance yourself.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has
a pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except
for JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On 11/6/09 4:22 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:26:23 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

One step away from going postal I suspect. The open hostility towards
different views indicates extreme isolation - akin to Charles Manson
or Ted Kaczynski. You could almost consider Seattle a compound
similar to David Koresh's Branch Davidians only with a different focal
point.

You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
and climate change and you **** on Democrats and liberals in them.

Don't even start with your holier than thou bull****.

You're a player in this game so don't try to distance yourself.


Tom is just another right-wing whacko. Dime a dozen around here.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
and climate change and you **** on Democrats and liberals in them.

He's doing the right thing. God bless him.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Nov 6, 5:23*am, H the K wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:22 AM, jps wrote:



On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:26:23 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
*wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
*wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. *You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

One step away from going postal I suspect. *The open hostility towards
different views indicates extreme isolation - akin to Charles Manson
or Ted Kaczynski. *You could almost consider Seattle a compound
similar to David Koresh's Branch Davidians only with a different focal
point.

You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
and climate change and you **** on Democrats and liberals in them.

Don't even start with your holier than thou bull****.

You're a player in this game so don't try to distance yourself.

Tom is just another right-wing whacko. Dime a dozen around here.

Herr Krause. Categorically speaking, where do you place yourself?

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:55:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt
civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)


I haven't done that in a long time. :)

If only I had more time to read! It seems I have to spend most of my
time earning a living...

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.


??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :)

The whole genre started out as a fan-fic thing - fan fiction about TV
shows and/or movies. The homoerotic thing started, believe it or not,
on Usenet groups dedicated to these shows and all of a sudden took
off. This had to be somewhere about '95 when "Xena - Warrior
Princess" first aired - thereabouts anyway. The whole Xena/Gabrielle
character interaction sparked an interest in lesbian fan fic (there
was a purported lesbian undertone to the Xena/Gabrielle pairing -
Gabrielle who started off as a naive farm girl who turned into a
warrior and was inseperable from Xena) and the genre took off from
there. Sam Raimi was one of the producers of "Xena" and knowing just
how weird Raimi is, it wouldn't surprize me if he intended that to
happen.

Nothing wrong with that of course and some of this particular genre
are very good. There's a series of gay/lesbian historical novels ala
C.S. Forrester's Hornblower series (no double entendre or pun
intended) that is outstanding although the addition of sex into the
plot lines is a little offputting.

Hey - what ever floats your boat as it were. (That was intended - get
it - boat/float - rec.boats?)

How about that Hope and Change...
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has a
pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except for
JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

You claim you know about an alleged "pustule problem"....... I know of no
such ailment.
What does this say about you?
"Think about that one for a second", Sailor-Boy

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On 11/6/09 11:39 AM, Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has a
pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except for
JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

You claim you know about an alleged "pustule problem"....... I know of no
such ailment.
What does this say about you?
"Think about that one for a second", Sailor-Boy




Apparently whenever flajim pees, he notices his pustules. No wonder mrs.
flajim won't have anything to do with him. I wonder if he contracted
them from...tuskie.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.
Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has a
pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except for
JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

You claim you know about an alleged "pustule problem"....... I know of no
such ailment.
What does this say about you?
"Think about that one for a second", Sailor-Boy



Step back a bit in time and see if you can find a reference to
aforementioned pustule. It's there. Look for it.
http://bassreport.com/forum/rec.boats.t611112.htm
You are such a dumb foch. It's almost unbelievable.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:02:41 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:55:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt
civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)


I haven't done that in a long time. :)

If only I had more time to read! It seems I have to spend most of my
time earning a living...

You could recapture a ****load of time if you curtailed your
overweight ponderings and attendant spelling corrections.

I thought you spent most of your time volunteering to help those less
fortunate than yourself. I know of a way you could dedicate even more
time to the cause.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:55:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the
hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've
described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum
of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no
standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt
civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)


I haven't done that in a long time. :)

If only I had more time to read! It seems I have to spend most of my
time earning a living...


I know the feeling. I'm fortunate in that I own my own business, I work
nearly 100% at home, and I don't have any set hours. Of course, the latter
isn't too good if it means being up at 1am to get things ready for the next
morning at 8 am. I like to get up early, weather permitting, and go for a
run, so 1am gets old fast.

Sometimes I sit in front of the computer (like now), waiting for something
that will need a very quick response. I've done "nothing" for hours
sometimes. Then, it comes in a tidal wave. The crunch days are (right now)
usually Thurs through Monday (not much happens on Sat., but I have to
prepare for Sunday), with stuff just trickling in the other days. As the
holiday season approaches though, it'll expand to most of the week, but
that's only through mid-Jan.

--
Nom=de=Plume

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:07:59 -0500, Jim wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has
a pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except
for JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

Well, I don't share your opinion of Don - I like Don. Sold him my
Princecraft and he was a delight to talk to in person. Interesting
guy. I stay away from his little wars with others in this group.

And I respect his knowledge of sailboats and his penchant for
historical knowledge of him home town. Not a lot of people know the
history of where they live or bother to take the time to learn.

The others? Yeah, I'd agree with you. :)

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On 11/6/09 3:42 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:07:59 -0500, wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has
a pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except
for JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

Well, I don't share your opinion of Don - I like Don. Sold him my
Princecraft and he was a delight to talk to in person. Interesting
guy. I stay away from his little wars with others in this group.

And I respect his knowledge of sailboats and his penchant for
historical knowledge of him home town. Not a lot of people know the
history of where they live or bother to take the time to learn.

The others? Yeah, I'd agree with you. :)


The wookie SW Tom doesn't like it when it becomes apparent he is full of
****.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:07:59 -0500, Jim wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.
Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has
a pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except
for JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

Well, I don't share your opinion of Don - I like Don. Sold him my
Princecraft and he was a delight to talk to in person. Interesting
guy. I stay away from his little wars with others in this group.

And I respect his knowledge of sailboats and his penchant for
historical knowledge of him home town. Not a lot of people know the
history of where they live or bother to take the time to learn.

The others? Yeah, I'd agree with you. :)

I don't dislike Donnie. I Don't even know him. All I know is how he
presents himself here and offer him, I think, appropriate interaction
based on how he behaves.

How about that Hope and Change...
 

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:55:18 -0500, Jim wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:07:59 -0500, Jim wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.
Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :)

The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has
a pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except
for JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

Well, I don't share your opinion of Don - I like Don. Sold him my
Princecraft and he was a delight to talk to in person. Interesting
guy. I stay away from his little wars with others in this group.

And I respect his knowledge of sailboats and his penchant for
historical knowledge of him home town. Not a lot of people know the
history of where they live or bother to take the time to learn.

The others? Yeah, I'd agree with you. :)

I don't dislike Donnie. I Don't even know him. All I know is how he
presents himself here and offer him, I think, appropriate interaction
based on how he behaves.

Good enough - just thought I'd throw my two cents into the mix.

Then again, Usenet brings out the worst in all of us - has since the
day it it first started up.