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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. No. We should go after him for criminal behavior. He's a criminal by his own words. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:44:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. No. We should go after him for criminal behavior. He's a criminal by his own words. That would require evidence and in a criminal trial the defendant has the ability to subpoena just about anything to aid his defense Yes, and your point? He needs to be charged first. The evidence doesn't necessarily have to be in open court. There are many instances of closed sessions when national security issues are at stake. Typically, the judge decides, which is what s/he is paid to do. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes that every leftist states. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes that every leftist states. Sorry. If you can't figure it out, there's no list I can provide of them that'll satisfy you. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes that every leftist states. Sorry. If you can't figure it out, there's no list I can provide of them that'll satisfy you. -- Nom=de=Plume I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would MakeDick Cheney Proud
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:
I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave this country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/ |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make DickCheney Proud
On 11/5/09 8:21 AM, BAR wrote:
In inet, says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote: I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave this country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/ Renditions? Isn't that a program that Bill Clinton started? It would be a great public service to indict, try, and convict cheney, and render him to a max security federal prison. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make DickCheney Proud
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On 11/5/09 8:21 AM, BAR wrote: In inet, says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote: I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave this country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/ Renditions? Isn't that a program that Bill Clinton started? It would be a great public service to indict, try, and convict cheney, and render him to a max security federal prison. Harry Krause. What a guy. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make DickCheney Proud
On Nov 5, 1:11*am, Tosk wrote:
In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message om... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:vLCdnTDiW7Bvz2_XnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink .com... wrote in message m... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. *May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. *What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? *The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume No, you tell me his crimes. *Google will give me all the pseudo crimes that every leftist states. That would require backing up the talking point, it just won't happen, she will not list any crimes, only more talking points.. -- Wafa free again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This from the person who renders people guilty of crimes even though they've never been charged nor tried in a court of law..... |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make DickCheney Proud
On Nov 5, 1:04*am, Tosk wrote:
In article , says... wrote in message .. . On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. *May not want to open that Pandora's Box. Nope, Bush didn't go after Clinton, it's not the repub way. Unfortunately or fortunately, the republicans are not willing to let out classified info just to make politics as usual, criminal... -- Wafa free again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do you mean like blaming the terrorist activity that happened on Bush's watch on Clinton? No, the Bush administration wouldn't do that, would they? |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make DickCheney Proud
On Nov 5, 12:16*am, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:02:27 -0500, NotNow wrote: wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:50:43 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: BTW where was the outrage when democratic operatives were bugging Newt Gingrich's cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cite? Were you in a cave in 1996 or just in denial. Try "Martin" "Gingrich" "Cell phone" I notice the Huffington report has taken down their article (where Ariana was shocked) as has the DoJ Once again. There was NO "bugging". IT WAS A CONFERENCE CALL.......get it? It was a private conference call between a few participants not a PUBLIC conference call. They han an expectation of privacy If you set up a conference call between several family members to talk about a private issue, would you think it was OK if it showed on the internet?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes! If people are stupid enough to think that a phone call is secure, that's their problem. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would MakeDick Cheney Proud
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:21:27 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote: I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave this country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/ Renditions? Isn't that a program that Bill Clinton started? Nope, Reagan actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawaz_Yunis |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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t... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote: I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave this country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/ They've already been told not to do that... along with Rumsfeld. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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t... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:21:27 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote: I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave this country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/ Renditions? Isn't that a program that Bill Clinton started? Nope, Reagan actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawaz_Yunis Bummer about facts isn't it... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
"Tosk" wrote in message
... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. Nope, Bush didn't go after Clinton, it's not the repub way. Unfortunately or fortunately, the republicans are not willing to let out classified info just to make politics as usual, criminal... -- Wafa free again. That's true. Bush's cronies went after Clinton while he was still in office. Unfortunately, you're being delusional if you think that people like Cheney didn't leak classified information for their own purposes. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:37:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: No. We should go after him for criminal behavior. He's a criminal by his own words. That would require evidence and in a criminal trial the defendant has the ability to subpoena just about anything to aid his defense Yes, and your point? He needs to be charged first. The evidence doesn't necessarily have to be in open court. There are many instances of closed sessions when national security issues are at stake. Typically, the judge decides, which is what s/he is paid to do. These things don't really get to court until all the discovery motions are handled and you know Cheney would subpoena things the government won't give him. That is one reason it is hard to prosecute former administration members for policy decisions. They know where all the bodies are buried and some of them have opposition party arrows in their back. Obama might pardon him, just to get his agenda back on track. He really does not need the distraction of a partisan witch hunt when his programs are stalled in congress. It was not and should not be about "policy" decisions. Torture is torture is NOT a policy decision. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:47:39 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Once again. There was NO "bugging". IT WAS A CONFERENCE CALL.......get it? It was a private conference call between a few participants not a PUBLIC conference call. They han an expectation of privacy If you set up a conference call between several family members to talk about a private issue, would you think it was OK if it showed on the internet?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes! If people are stupid enough to think that a phone call is secure, that's their problem. So what is all the uproar about NSA then? You can't have it both ways. At least nobody ever said NASA was tapping your phone and making the transcripts public. Personally I never considered phones secure. I saw transcripts of my phone conversations when I was a teenager ... from an illegal RFK/DoJ tap. If they can get a warrant, then they should be able to tap anyone's phone. The FISA court will and has issued warrants after the fact of the tap. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes that every leftist states. Sorry. If you can't figure it out, there's no list I can provide of them that'll satisfy you. -- Nom=de=Plume I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. I hope you're starting to see through the vaporous nomdeplum. -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H |
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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
"John H." wrote in message
... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be the only thing he will be doing. Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG decides to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts. If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions made in office, the whole country will get bogged down. Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court fight over that could take years. And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box. If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. -- Nom=de=Plume He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an investigation every party change. Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted. I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against this country. -- Nom=de=Plume No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes that every leftist states. Sorry. If you can't figure it out, there's no list I can provide of them that'll satisfy you. -- Nom=de=Plume I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney jailed. I hope you're starting to see through the vaporous nomdeplum. Is that what happens when you look in the mirror? -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:16:58 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:02:27 -0500, NotNow wrote: wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:50:43 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: BTW where was the outrage when democratic operatives were bugging Newt Gingrich's cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cite? Were you in a cave in 1996 or just in denial. Try "Martin" "Gingrich" "Cell phone" I notice the Huffington report has taken down their article (where Ariana was shocked) as has the DoJ Once again. There was NO "bugging". IT WAS A CONFERENCE CALL.......get it? It was a private conference call between a few participants not a PUBLIC conference call. They han an expectation of privacy If you set up a conference call between several family members to talk about a private issue, would you think it was OK if it showed on the internet? Maybe real liberals consider any conference call subject to monitoring by Democrats. Knock it off, they are from the "DNC" and they are here to help... -- Wafa free again. |
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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:54:12 -0500, BAR wrote: Personally I never considered phones secure. I saw transcripts of my phone conversations when I was a teenager ... from an illegal RFK/DoJ tap. Who were you calling? My girlfriend. They had our home phone tapped because my mother was on Hoffa's legal team. Even if the tap was not egregious enough, how about lawyer client privilege? I bet that sucked if sucked was talked about. |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:04:11 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:37:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: No. We should go after him for criminal behavior. He's a criminal by his own words. That would require evidence and in a criminal trial the defendant has the ability to subpoena just about anything to aid his defense Yes, and your point? He needs to be charged first. The evidence doesn't necessarily have to be in open court. There are many instances of closed sessions when national security issues are at stake. Typically, the judge decides, which is what s/he is paid to do. These things don't really get to court until all the discovery motions are handled and you know Cheney would subpoena things the government won't give him. That is one reason it is hard to prosecute former administration members for policy decisions. They know where all the bodies are buried and some of them have opposition party arrows in their back. Obama might pardon him, just to get his agenda back on track. He really does not need the distraction of a partisan witch hunt when his programs are stalled in congress. It was not and should not be about "policy" decisions. Torture is torture is NOT a policy decision. Certainly it is, just like a lot of other questionable things governments do during wars. Do I have to remind you of WWII, the "good" war? If the US had lost that war the whole government would have been in the Hague on war crimes charges. Usually we just sacrifice some subordinate like Calley (in Vietnam) but wars encourage atrocities by their very nature. If there is another 9-11 size attack the American public will want interrogation techniques like the last 10 minutes of Braveheart in the hopes of preventing it from happening again. Unfortunately for Cheney, he is more unpopular that Atta right now in some circles. Cheney is by almost any definition a criminal. He approved of torture, which is against US and international law. Same with Rumsfeld. WWII was about national survival and we did some terrible things, which probably are unjustifiable. One of the worst was the Japanese internment camps. There are no "good" wars. There are wars that must be fought and those that are opt-out. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:54:12 -0500, BAR wrote: Personally I never considered phones secure. I saw transcripts of my phone conversations when I was a teenager ... from an illegal RFK/DoJ tap. Who were you calling? My girlfriend. They had our home phone tapped because my mother was on Hoffa's legal team. Even if the tap was not egregious enough, how about lawyer client privilege? That must have been one heck of a conversation! :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:48:13 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: It was not and should not be about "policy" decisions. Torture is torture is NOT a policy decision. Certainly it is, just like a lot of other questionable things governments do during wars. Do I have to remind you of WWII, the "good" war? If the US had lost that war the whole government would have been in the Hague on war crimes charges. Usually we just sacrifice some subordinate like Calley (in Vietnam) but wars encourage atrocities by their very nature. If there is another 9-11 size attack the American public will want interrogation techniques like the last 10 minutes of Braveheart in the hopes of preventing it from happening again. Unfortunately for Cheney, he is more unpopular that Atta right now in some circles. Cheney is by almost any definition a criminal. He approved of torture, which is against US and international law. Same with Rumsfeld. WWII was about national survival and we did some terrible things, which probably are unjustifiable. One of the worst was the Japanese internment camps. There are no "good" wars. There are wars that must be fought and those that are opt-out. The "torture" we are talking about happened a few months after 9-11 and it was considered to be acceptable. Did you ever watch "GI Jane". That was it. It was never considered acceptable under US or international law. I'm not going to base my philosophy of life or a legal argument on a movie. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:23:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:48:13 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: It was not and should not be about "policy" decisions. Torture is torture is NOT a policy decision. Certainly it is, just like a lot of other questionable things governments do during wars. Do I have to remind you of WWII, the "good" war? If the US had lost that war the whole government would have been in the Hague on war crimes charges. Usually we just sacrifice some subordinate like Calley (in Vietnam) but wars encourage atrocities by their very nature. If there is another 9-11 size attack the American public will want interrogation techniques like the last 10 minutes of Braveheart in the hopes of preventing it from happening again. Unfortunately for Cheney, he is more unpopular that Atta right now in some circles. Cheney is by almost any definition a criminal. He approved of torture, which is against US and international law. Same with Rumsfeld. WWII was about national survival and we did some terrible things, which probably are unjustifiable. One of the worst was the Japanese internment camps. There are no "good" wars. There are wars that must be fought and those that are opt-out. The "torture" we are talking about happened a few months after 9-11 and it was considered to be acceptable. Did you ever watch "GI Jane". That was it. It was never considered acceptable under US or international law. I'm not going to base my philosophy of life or a legal argument on a movie. Why not? Worked pretty well for Ronny Raygun! |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:23:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The "torture" we are talking about happened a few months after 9-11 and it was considered to be acceptable. Did you ever watch "GI Jane". That was it. It was never considered acceptable under US or international law. I'm not going to base my philosophy of life or a legal argument on a movie. The point is, that was a fairly accurate portrayal of the US special ops training at the time. If they can do it to US trainees, it would be assumed, in the field, that you could do it to the enemy. No. That's completely wrong! Just because our troops are trained to withstand torture doesn't mean we should torture others. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would MakeDick Cheney Proud
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:42:56 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
That is a nice living room discussion but people in combat situations sometimes do not make those distinctions. I am not even sure that was framed as "torture" in the training, just as an interrogation technique. One of the guys I have known most of my life was in Force Recon (Marines) That is why I know what Nov 10 is ;-) The trainers beat the crap out of them in training and went out of their way to harden them to death, pain and general misery. It is pretty hard to tell these guys, splashing a little water in someone's face is torture. *If* splashing a little water was all that happened. An estimated 100 detainees died during, or immediately after, interrogations. I don't think splashing a little water could do that. Torture could. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...ured-to-death/ http://www.aclu.org/human-rights/us-...istan-and-iraq |
Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
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... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:57:25 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The point is, that was a fairly accurate portrayal of the US special ops training at the time. If they can do it to US trainees, it would be assumed, in the field, that you could do it to the enemy. No. That's completely wrong! Just because our troops are trained to withstand torture doesn't mean we should torture others. That is a nice living room discussion but people in combat situations sometimes do not make those distinctions. I am not even sure that was framed as "torture" in the training, just as an interrogation technique. One of the guys I have known most of my life was in Force Recon (Marines) That is why I know what Nov 10 is ;-) The trainers beat the crap out of them in training and went out of their way to harden them to death, pain and general misery. It is pretty hard to tell these guys, splashing a little water in someone's face is torture. This has nothing to do with "combat situations." This has to do with the CIA and other similar organizations methodically torturing prisoners. It didn't even have to do with getting intel. They already got the intel by using standard interview techniques. Even the FBI would have none of it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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