On 10/31/09 6:20 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:38:06 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

I AM informed, and I'll bet good money I've read more scientific
papers regarding global warming than you have. ANYBODY that actually
has studied it as opposed to getting their information from the RNC,
knows full well global warming IS happening.

You need to read a few more Bill - it's not happening and in fact,
totally bogus based on schlock science.

And I suspect we're about equal in terms of reading papers, checking
the math and evolving informed opinions.


Meaning, Tom, that you only read documents that support your
preconceived notions, as evidence by your postings here.

I used to think you knew something about science. Now, I realize, you
give a new meaning to the phrase "political" scientist. You're no more a
scientist than your moronic BFF, Scott Ingersoll.

"Global warming" is not happening, according to Tom

Bull****.

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/31/09 6:20 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:38:06 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

I AM informed, and I'll bet good money I've read more scientific
papers regarding global warming than you have. ANYBODY that actually
has studied it as opposed to getting their information from the RNC,
knows full well global warming IS happening.

You need to read a few more Bill - it's not happening and in fact,
totally bogus based on schlock science.

And I suspect we're about equal in terms of reading papers, checking
the math and evolving informed opinions.


Meaning, Tom, that you only read documents that support your preconceived
notions, as evidence by your postings here.

I used to think you knew something about science. Now, I realize, you give
a new meaning to the phrase "political" scientist. You're no more a
scientist than your moronic BFF, Scott Ingersoll.

"Global warming" is not happening, according to Tom

Bull****.


There was a few years of warming. Big deal. The weather and climate is not
static. We are coming out of a time of relative sun spot inactivity. 10
years of cooling a degree or two, 10 years of warming a degree or 2.
Antarctic was pretty much ice free some time during man's sailing time. The
Piri Reis map proves that, unless they had alien technology and ground
penetration radar. Global warming is not happening according to lots of
scientists. Real physical science scientists, not the majority who signed
the Kyoto Agreement that had their degrees in liberal arts disciplines.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:38:06 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

I AM informed, and I'll bet good money I've read more scientific
papers regarding global warming than you have. ANYBODY that actually
has studied it as opposed to getting their information from the RNC,
knows full well global warming IS happening.

You need to read a few more Bill - it's not happening and in fact,
totally bogus based on schlock science.

And I suspect we're about equal in terms of reading papers, checking
the math and evolving informed opinions.

My part was
"The question was what is causing the climate change. And some people, that
stand to make a lot of mony selling "carbon Credits" state it is man caused.
Can not prove that theory. Seems as if Mars was warming at the same time.
Maybe it is not man caused, and nature that caused the last major iceage,
the last mini ice age, and the warming to end the ice ages.

"
For some reason my newsreader does not always delineate my reply. We did
have warming. As my reply to Harry follows I point out my views.

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:22:34 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

For some reason my newsreader does not always delineate my reply. We did
have warming. As my reply to Harry follows I point out my views.

Sorry dude - my bad. No worries.

I would agree to the extent that the data did show "something". The
question, as you said, was what caused the "something".

There are several "issues" that have caused me to "disbelieve" the
warming data and I'm convinced that the "warming" is totally bogus.

For example, data sets at Bradley Field, the official reporting
station for CT, has seen an annualized increase of about 1 degree F
over the past nine years. Ok, that proves what? Nothing because the
station was moved from it's former location to it's present location
when they expanded the runway - to the middle of the field which is
surrounded by tarmac.

Same thing happened at Willimantic when they expanded that runway
although the increase was smaller - about .4 degree.

Meanwhile, my own reporting station along with Pomfret, Hyde and
Rectory Schools, along with Hyde, Woodstock Academy, Nichols College
and the Audubon Society, Army Corps of Engineers at Thompson Dam and
the Forestry Service station (Thompson) reporting stations reported no
measureable increase in temperature (on an annualized basis) over that
same nine years. Willimantic and Bradley Field always show higher
temperatures (that same 1 degree) higher than our regional temps.
While the "official" stations have been reporting near normal
temperatures this year, we've been reporting lower than normal
temperatures for the same period.

That's one example from one state, but when you examine reporting
stations around the US, the story is the same, but in some cases it's
more dramatic and in some cases it's less dramatic.

The main culprit in my opinion is primarily related to solar science
and I don't believe that enough attention has been paid to the
variation in Earth's orbital mechanics (Malkovich Cycles), the solar
cycles (Hale Cycles), solar polarity and how these relate to the most
positive data set you get from dendrochronology.

It aint' CO2 that's for sure.

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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 9:08 am, Tosk wrote:
In article fad3bbe0-efda-408b-ae21-b95834900d94@
37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...







On Oct 31, 8:48 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
The scariest story told this Halloween - the most terrifying words
screeched - came from the master of environmental horror himself, our
favorite environmental collapse gasbag himself Al "Bloody" Gore.

Get it - Bloody? Gore? Halloween?

Er...anyway....

"If the North Pole were to melt it could increase sea levels by 67
metres, Gore said, speaking in the heart of an oil-rich region not
known for its regard for the environment."

http://business.maktoob.com/20090000...limate_change_...

220 feet? Damn - that's up 20 meters from his last "projection".

Hasn't he ever heard of displacement? Hello - ice floats? The Arctic
is a ocean? Hello - anybody home?

Heh - even better...he's still addicted to the global warming/fierce
hurricane scenario - which oddly, is becoming subject to real science
nad exposed as the bull**** it is.

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

Yes, we all know, just because there is pile after pile of scientific
data proving otherwise, Rush and other republicans have told you
global warming isn't happening.

Why do you keep making up sound bytes? The study had nothing to do with
any politician, it is a scientific study from the University of Florida?
You know Loogie, it's ok to get informed and change your mind. When I am
wrong here I admit it, like with the Cheney thing. Why can't you?- Hide
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I AM informed, and I'll bet good money I've read more scientific
papers regarding global warming than you have. ANYBODY that actually
has studied it as opposed to getting their information from the RNC,
knows full well global warming IS happening.

The question was what is causing the climate change. And some people,
that stand to make a lot of mony selling "carbon Credits" state it is man
caused. Can not prove that theory. Seems as if Mars was warming at the
same time. Maybe it is not man caused, and nature that caused the last
major iceage, the last mini ice age, and the warming to end the ice ages.

Seems to me that a lot more money is going to be made by those who deny it,
if you want to talk about money. But, it's about science, and that's when
your logic breaks down. Bad climate change is happening, and it's a direct
result of our pollution. We need to fix it. All major gov'ts know this, not
to mention most scientists.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Oct 31, 2:55*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker





wrote:
On Oct 31, 10:30*am, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

I AM informed, and I'll bet good money I've read more scientific
papers regarding global warming than you have. ANYBODY that actually
has studied it as opposed to getting their information from the RNC,
knows full well global warming IS happening.

This is useless... You get your info from scientists, I get mine from
scientists, but of course because mine is different than yours, mine is
automatically a lie. I won't say who this sounds like.

Doesn't Loogy know they change the name from Global Warming to Climate
Change? They did this because the data was accumulating against the
arguments for Global Warming. So they decided that they would change
their moniker to Climate Change, which constantly occurs. Right now in
my area our climate is changing from Summer to Fall and soon it will be
winter. I sure hope somebody figures out how to make it Spring again.

That's just stupid.

What really baffles me is how supposedly educated people who subscribe
to Darwin's theory of evolution believe that:
- Species should not die off as they have been doing for millions and
millions of years. And, they even did it before man walked the Earth.
- The climate on Earth should be constant and never evolve or change.

Where did I ever say such?

Here. Over and over and over.- Hide quoted text -

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Cite?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:30:41 -0400, BAR wrote:

Right now in
my area our climate is changing from Summer to Fall and soon it will be
winter. I sure hope somebody figures out how to make it Spring again.

Climate is the long term average of the weather. The soil temperature
ten feet down is the average temperature of a place, totaled over the
last century or so. If you have an average below freeziing you have
permafrost.