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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:24:31 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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Goldman Sachs strikes again...

Hell, Bush was just continuing rolling the Clinton ball. Clinton and his
administration caused the dot.com bubble, set the stage for the housing
bubble and Bush just continuing the screw ups.


If you watch that Frontline "warning" show (It is on PBS.ORG)
you will see it was the Clinton era that actually brought us all the
deregulation and derivatives problem that crushed wall street and cost
the tax payer most of that trillion we spent in TARP 1.

As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress, you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:10:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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The biggest cost factor, the actual care, is being ignored by
everyone.


Perhaps, that's certainly a big number. Something like 70% of docs want a
public option or single payer. They're just as sick of the paperwork as
everyone else.


They just want a government rubber stamp on their bills. I don't blame
them but if you are going to control costs more than the insurance
companies do you will be denying a lot more of their bills.

If you took every penny of insurance company profits away and reduced
the top pay for their executives to a GS16 level you wouldn't come
close to having the kind of money it takes for universal coverage.



Sure is easy to blame the doctors, but it's a fallacy that the are the cause
of the problem. Insurance companies are only interested in profit, they
don't care a fig about people's health. This is normal for a company, but an
abomination for public health. It's like having a military that's only
interested in profit vs. national security. Oh wait, we've got that ala
Blackwater. Never mind.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:40:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress, you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

Except for trying to fix health care and disloyalty to his wife, Bill
Clinton wasn't much different than Ronnie Reagan.
Wall Street animals both, who have brought this country to its knees.
Golfers. Hey, is Obama a golfer?
You'll have a better understanding of American politics when you stop
arguing about Dems and Reps, and follow the money.
Golfing is a good indicator. Expensive sport.
They golfed while Rome burned.
Think Jimmy Carter was a fisherman.
Uh-oh.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:40:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress,
you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

Except for trying to fix health care and disloyalty to his wife, Bill
Clinton wasn't much different than Ronnie Reagan.
Wall Street animals both, who have brought this country to its knees.
Golfers. Hey, is Obama a golfer?
You'll have a better understanding of American politics when you stop
arguing about Dems and Reps, and follow the money.
Golfing is a good indicator. Expensive sport.
They golfed while Rome burned.
Think Jimmy Carter was a fisherman.
Uh-oh.

--Vic



Finance-wise, he was better than Reagan, since he pushed to get us on track
for a surplus, but reg wise he wasn't better. A mixed bag I guess.
Societally, he was much, much better. I think Obama recently took up golf,
but I'm not sure. Didn't Carter shoot rabbits?

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 10/25/09 3:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Vic wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:40:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress,
you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

Except for trying to fix health care and disloyalty to his wife, Bill
Clinton wasn't much different than Ronnie Reagan.
Wall Street animals both, who have brought this country to its knees.
Golfers. Hey, is Obama a golfer?
You'll have a better understanding of American politics when you stop
arguing about Dems and Reps, and follow the money.
Golfing is a good indicator. Expensive sport.
They golfed while Rome burned.
Think Jimmy Carter was a fisherman.
Uh-oh.

--Vic



Finance-wise, he was better than Reagan, since he pushed to get us on track
for a surplus, but reg wise he wasn't better. A mixed bag I guess.
Societally, he was much, much better. I think Obama recently took up golf,
but I'm not sure. Didn't Carter shoot rabbits?



And cheney...he shot his friends.

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:53:48 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:40:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress, you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

Except for trying to fix health care and disloyalty to his wife, Bill
Clinton wasn't much different than Ronnie Reagan.
Wall Street animals both, who have brought this country to its knees.
Golfers. Hey, is Obama a golfer?
You'll have a better understanding of American politics when you stop
arguing about Dems and Reps, and follow the money.
Golfing is a good indicator. Expensive sport.
They golfed while Rome burned.
Think Jimmy Carter was a fisherman.
Uh-oh.

--Vic

GWBush was a vacationer.

H the K wrote:
On 10/25/09 3:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Vic wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:40:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress,
you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks
in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

Except for trying to fix health care and disloyalty to his wife, Bill
Clinton wasn't much different than Ronnie Reagan.
Wall Street animals both, who have brought this country to its knees.
Golfers. Hey, is Obama a golfer?
You'll have a better understanding of American politics when you stop
arguing about Dems and Reps, and follow the money.
Golfing is a good indicator. Expensive sport.
They golfed while Rome burned.
Think Jimmy Carter was a fisherman.
Uh-oh.

--Vic



Finance-wise, he was better than Reagan, since he pushed to get us on
track
for a surplus, but reg wise he wasn't better. A mixed bag I guess.
Societally, he was much, much better. I think Obama recently took up
golf,
but I'm not sure. Didn't Carter shoot rabbits?



And cheney...he shot his friends.

liar lol

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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:27:48 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:28:38 -0300, "Don White"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:16:10 -0300, "Don White"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:59:23 -0300, "Don White"
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I had to flush The Freak and Looney Tunes also.
Too bad...I had hoped we could beat some sense into them, but they've
been
taken over by the dark side.
I stay on the Lt Colonels case because he's the one guy who should
know
better.... unless they sell commissions in the US Army these days.

Hi Don.

Are you ready to stop with the immature name-calling and personal
insults yet?

It would improve the atmosphere, no?
I'm watching your lead..Lt Colonel.

Don, it's nice of you to call me that, but I'm no longer entitled to
that. Now it would be LTC Ret.

It's really not fair to the LTC's doing the work, if you know what I
mean.
When I refer to your rank of Lt Colonel....I mean in the Dope Army.

Wow, Don.

I guess you're just way too smart for me. So keep up with your
attempted insults and your name-calling. Maybe one day Harry, who
doesn't even answer most of your stuff any more, will adopt you. Then
you'll have an 'official' father figure.

Go for it.
Too bad the Army didn't provide you with one. It might have made a
difference in your outlook.


Don, I didn't need one.

But I can understand why you're still looking for one.

If Donnie's kid had a father figure, he might have turned out differently.

Donnie is a typical beer swilling, self indulgent, union teet sucker. He
should have spent more time with his kids, probably wouldn't be so
bitter and bored now... And he certainly wouldn't be paying for his
beer, cars, and God knows what else...

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:53:48 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:40:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


As long as you don't forget Gingrich's Contract on America Congress, you're
right. Lots of deregulation happened while he was president, thanks in a
large part to the Republican-controlled Congress.

Except for trying to fix health care and disloyalty to his wife, Bill
Clinton wasn't much different than Ronnie Reagan.
Wall Street animals both, who have brought this country to its knees.
Golfers. Hey, is Obama a golfer?
You'll have a better understanding of American politics when you stop
arguing about Dems and Reps, and follow the money.
Golfing is a good indicator. Expensive sport.
They golfed while Rome burned.
Think Jimmy Carter was a fisherman.
Uh-oh.

--Vic


Golf is not an expensive sport, unless you enjoy spending the money. I
play for about $17 a round, walking. That keeps me off the streets for
about 4 hours.

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:58:11 -0400, Tosk
wrote:

In article , says...

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:27:48 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:28:38 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:16:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:59:23 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:



I had to flush The Freak and Looney Tunes also.
Too bad...I had hoped we could beat some sense into them, but they've
been
taken over by the dark side.
I stay on the Lt Colonels case because he's the one guy who should
know
better.... unless they sell commissions in the US Army these days.

Hi Don.

Are you ready to stop with the immature name-calling and personal
insults yet?

It would improve the atmosphere, no?
I'm watching your lead..Lt Colonel.

Don, it's nice of you to call me that, but I'm no longer entitled to
that. Now it would be LTC Ret.

It's really not fair to the LTC's doing the work, if you know what I
mean.
When I refer to your rank of Lt Colonel....I mean in the Dope Army.

Wow, Don.

I guess you're just way too smart for me. So keep up with your
attempted insults and your name-calling. Maybe one day Harry, who
doesn't even answer most of your stuff any more, will adopt you. Then
you'll have an 'official' father figure.

Go for it.
Too bad the Army didn't provide you with one. It might have made a
difference in your outlook.


Don, I didn't need one.

But I can understand why you're still looking for one.

If Donnie's kid had a father figure, he might have turned out differently.

Donnie is a typical beer swilling, self indulgent, union teet sucker. He
should have spent more time with his kids, probably wouldn't be so
bitter and bored now... And he certainly wouldn't be paying for his
beer, cars, and God knows what else...

He's definitely shown he's not man enough to stop the name-calling and
personal insults. Of course, Harry wasn't either.

I've had enough of them.