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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:51:29 -0400, Tosk wrote:


After all, how can a for profit org compete with a public
funded not for profit?
Huh? I thought "privatization" was the cost cutting mantra of
the
Right. You know, how a lean mean corporation was more
efficient than a
bloated government agency. So, does this mean that if we
eliminate
private health insurance companies, and go with a single payer
public
option, our health cost would go down? Damn, you're turning
into a
Liberal.
Not really, look at the success record of govt "not for profit"
organizations. I would rather pay for something that works, than
pay
double for something that doesn't.
Yup. Medicare and the VA don't work. Bummer.
Well, I guess it depends on who is in office at the time. When it
was
Bush they sure didn't, that is if you listen to the chattering
class.
Now miraculously a 10% unemployment rate is a recovery...

You really need to review the facts about the VA, for example,
before you make statements like this. Check out the person who's in
charge of the VA.

There is a technical recovery in process. Jobs are still a problem
and will continue to be for quite a while. What's your point?

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Where is the recovery? The lead in the Dow rise is financials.
And they are going up because of the huge amounts of money the Fed
is tossing at them. The job outlook is bad, the retail outlook is
bad, as those 20%+ without a job are not spending. The housing
sales increase, but the price decreased, and the $8k gift from the
Fed just accelerated the purchases and seems as if they are looking
at $500 million if fraud with the program. Look for the Dow to pull
back 10-15% shortly. Put stops on your stocks.

Look it up. It's been all over the news. So far, you haven't said
anything revealing about the recovery or lack thereof.

The recovery hasn't started yet. And it won't until REAL jobs are
created and REAL workers have money to spend on REAL goods and
services, which of course will be provided by REAL people doing REAL
work. The way your party is handling the situation is UNREAL. You
should be ashamed of yourself for supporting The king and his court in
their underhanded activities.


You should be ashamed of your intellectual dishonestly.

http://www.recovery.gov


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Actually it is you with the intellectual dishonesty. The government
spent tons of money in the wrong place for one thing. Sent it to their
cronies on Wall Street. Want a better recovery, put 50% of that money
spent in to SBA loans. And not spend the other 50%. Let Goldmansackus
and the other "investment" banks fail. The recovery act has not created
jobs. Other than a few paving and infrastucture jobs that needed to be
done anyway. When that paving job is done. Where is the next job for
the worker. Govenment does not creat wealth by borrowing and spending.

Except that this would have caused an amazing about of pain for average
people. This is the classic Milton Freedman, Chicago School of Economics
philosophy that sounds really good but doesn't work, as shown by various
examples in recent decades.

While the gov't doesn't create wealth by borrowing and spending, it does
create jobs, the perfect example being just prior to WW2. The
unemployment rate was something like 25%. The FDR got things going and
prior to WW2, it was down to 10%. Not perfect, but it was in the right
direction. Then the gov't spent an insane amount of money to fund the
war. What followed was one of the best growth periods in a long time.

The jobless rate is currently very bad, but the rate of losses per month
is headed in the right direction. The absolute percentage will likely
keep rising over the next year or so, but businesses are starting to
hire, and this trend should continue. Thus, the technical recession is
over, according to most economists, but that doesn't mean it feels good
right now.

Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

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FDR never got the unemployment below 20% until the war. Only reason the
unemployment was starting to fall is we were making war materials for the
British.



Nope... That's a history rewrite..

It fell to just under 15% from a high of about 25% (or higher, depending on
the sector of course).

There were some anomalies in how unemployment rates were counted, and by
some estimates it was closer to 10%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020801757.html


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