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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick..
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

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There is no problem with his changing his mind. *Unless it is because a
CNN poll says he should change his stance. * We did not hire him to be
an arbitrator of popularity. *He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here"
part of the Presidency.

I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

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He is being like Clinton. *Following the polls. *CNN, etc poll says people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. *Clinton should have made the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone in
to the books as one of the great Presidents.

And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following? Perhaps
you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the population
supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....


and every time clinton did something the GOP said it was
'political'...

damned if you do....