Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

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"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn
lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is not, in
my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't get
why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw you
to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get
reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins. lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a monolithic
body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I can't
find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful
reform.
I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why, then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.


Because they're not helping. They do everything they can to slow down the
process. Are you now claiming that doesn't make a difference??

Holy crap!

The Democrats *don't need* the help of the Republicans. The Democrats
can have their vote anytime they want. The problem is that the damn
Democrats are being inflluenced by the lobbyists and can't get their
act together.

Stop your 'Republican bashing'.


So, you're not disputing that the Republicans are doing everything they can
to prevent healthcare reform. Just because someone doesn't need help isn't a
license to make it even harder. What would happen if some of the supposed
pure Rep. thought about country first and voted for positive change.

I'm neither disputing nor agreeing to anything about Republicans,
except that you keep using them as a friggin' excuse because your
f'ing Democrats can't exercise enough integrity to get the damn job
done.

Forget blaming the Republicans! Are they essential to the passage of a
bill? NO! The Democrats, if they ever stop with the money grubbing and
get their act together, can pass it themselves.

Do you deny that?

Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:57:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
news:bht4d55r90spobonq3agpuscljalnmai56@4a x.com...
If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health
bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn
lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is not,
in
my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't
get
why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw you
to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took
the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get
reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins. lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the
Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a monolithic
body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I
can't
find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful
reform.
I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why, then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.


Because they're not helping. They do everything they can to slow down
the
process. Are you now claiming that doesn't make a difference??

Holy crap!

The Democrats *don't need* the help of the Republicans. The Democrats
can have their vote anytime they want. The problem is that the damn
Democrats are being inflluenced by the lobbyists and can't get their
act together.

Stop your 'Republican bashing'.


So, you're not disputing that the Republicans are doing everything they
can
to prevent healthcare reform. Just because someone doesn't need help isn't
a
license to make it even harder. What would happen if some of the supposed
pure Rep. thought about country first and voted for positive change.

I'm neither disputing nor agreeing to anything about Republicans,
except that you keep using them as a friggin' excuse because your
f'ing Democrats can't exercise enough integrity to get the damn job
done.

Forget blaming the Republicans! Are they essential to the passage of a
bill? NO! The Democrats, if they ever stop with the money grubbing and
get their act together, can pass it themselves.

Do you deny that?


Please show me where I used them "as an excuse" for anything in this thread.
I made a point, and you seem to be arguing against it.

"I can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling)." Try reading it again.


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Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:00:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"KotP-A" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:31:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:57:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
news:bht4d55r90spobonq3agpuscljalnmai56@4 ax.com...
If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health
bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn
lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is not,
in
my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't
get
why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw you
to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took
the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get
reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins. lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the
Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a monolithic
body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I
can't
find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful
reform.
I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why, then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.


Because they're not helping. They do everything they can to slow down
the
process. Are you now claiming that doesn't make a difference??

Holy crap!

The Democrats *don't need* the help of the Republicans. The Democrats
can have their vote anytime they want. The problem is that the damn
Democrats are being inflluenced by the lobbyists and can't get their
act together.

Stop your 'Republican bashing'.


So, you're not disputing that the Republicans are doing everything they
can
to prevent healthcare reform. Just because someone doesn't need help isn't
a
license to make it even harder. What would happen if some of the supposed
pure Rep. thought about country first and voted for positive change.

I'm neither disputing nor agreeing to anything about Republicans,
except that you keep using them as a friggin' excuse because your
f'ing Democrats can't exercise enough integrity to get the damn job
done.

Forget blaming the Republicans! Are they essential to the passage of a
bill? NO! The Democrats, if they ever stop with the money grubbing and
get their act together, can pass it themselves.

Do you deny that?


Please show me where I used them "as an excuse" for anything in this thread.
I made a point, and you seem to be arguing against it.

"I can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling)." Try reading it again.

Whatever you say. I give up.

Dizzy fits. I can see why you might call yourself that.

Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:00:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"KotP-A" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:31:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:57:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health
bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn
lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the
integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the
Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is
not,
in
my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't
get
why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw
you
to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took
the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get
reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins.
lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier
than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the
Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the
till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they
were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a
monolithic
body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I
can't
find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful
reform.
I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why,
then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.


Because they're not helping. They do everything they can to slow down
the
process. Are you now claiming that doesn't make a difference??

Holy crap!

The Democrats *don't need* the help of the Republicans. The Democrats
can have their vote anytime they want. The problem is that the damn
Democrats are being inflluenced by the lobbyists and can't get their
act together.

Stop your 'Republican bashing'.


So, you're not disputing that the Republicans are doing everything they
can
to prevent healthcare reform. Just because someone doesn't need help
isn't
a
license to make it even harder. What would happen if some of the
supposed
pure Rep. thought about country first and voted for positive change.

I'm neither disputing nor agreeing to anything about Republicans,
except that you keep using them as a friggin' excuse because your
f'ing Democrats can't exercise enough integrity to get the damn job
done.

Forget blaming the Republicans! Are they essential to the passage of a
bill? NO! The Democrats, if they ever stop with the money grubbing and
get their act together, can pass it themselves.

Do you deny that?


Please show me where I used them "as an excuse" for anything in this
thread.
I made a point, and you seem to be arguing against it.

"I can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling)." Try reading it again.

Whatever you say. I give up.

Dizzy fits. I can see why you might call yourself that.

You give up because you have no logical argument left, and thus you call me
names.

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Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:31:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:54:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:57:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
news:bht4d55r90spobonq3agpuscljalnmai56 @4ax.com...
If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health
bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn
lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the
integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the
Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is
not,
in
my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't
get
why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw
you
to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took
the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get
reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins.
lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier
than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the
Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the
till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they
were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a
monolithic
body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I
can't
find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful
reform.
I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why,
then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.


Because they're not helping. They do everything they can to slow down
the
process. Are you now claiming that doesn't make a difference??

Holy crap!

The Democrats *don't need* the help of the Republicans. The Democrats
can have their vote anytime they want. The problem is that the damn
Democrats are being inflluenced by the lobbyists and can't get their
act together.

Stop your 'Republican bashing'.


So, you're not disputing that the Republicans are doing everything they
can
to prevent healthcare reform. Just because someone doesn't need help
isn't
a
license to make it even harder. What would happen if some of the
supposed
pure Rep. thought about country first and voted for positive change.

I'm neither disputing nor agreeing to anything about Republicans,
except that you keep using them as a friggin' excuse because your
f'ing Democrats can't exercise enough integrity to get the damn job
done.

Forget blaming the Republicans! Are they essential to the passage of a
bill? NO! The Democrats, if they ever stop with the money grubbing and
get their act together, can pass it themselves.

Do you deny that?


Please show me where I used them "as an excuse" for anything in this
thread.
I made a point, and you seem to be arguing against it.

"I can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling)." Try reading it again.

Whatever you say. I give up.

Dizzy fits. I can see why you might call yourself that.

You give up because you have no logical argument left, and thus you call me
names.

Right.

Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:57:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is not, in my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't get why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw you to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins. lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a monolithic body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I can't find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful reform. I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why, then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.

Yeah, and our lying president says one vote makes it "bipartisan" what a
moron...

Who are the lobbyists lobbying?
 

"Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:57:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
If the Democrats have enough votes to pass the friggin' health bill,
why are we reading about lobbyists screwing up the passage.

Surely it's not *Democrats* being influenced by those damn
lobbyists!
Only Republicans, or so liberals say, are lacking in the integrity
needed to do what's best for the country.

Or maybe that's not the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he..._r=1&th&emc=th

Yes, that's the problem... They're all being influenced by the Ins.
special
interest. There's just too much money floating around. This is not, in
my
opinion, a Dem. vs. Rep. issue. This is a national crisis. I don't get
why
these people (both sides) feel that they couldn't just say screw you
to
the
Ins. lobby. It would be a political hot-potato if either side took the
money
and voted against reform. Instead they act like they can't get
reelected
without the money. They should be using their opponent's Ins. lobby
derived
finances as a campaign point.

No, the problem is not both sides. The problem is your 'holier than
thou' Democrats who are caving to the dollar signs. The Dems don't
need the Republicans to pass the damn bill. They need the Republicans
as a whipping boy 'cause they can't get their hands out of the till.

Typical liberals.


Huh? The Republicans are only interested in obstruction. If they were
interested in passing meaningful reform, they wouldn't be a monolithic
body
of "no" no matter what. They are certainly part of the problem. I can't
find
one Republican in the Senate for example that supports meaningful
reform. I
can find many Democrats, but not all of them (which is sad and
troubling).

You are being purposely blind.

What Republicans want or don't want is beside the point. Pelosi and
Reid have made it clear that the Republicans aren't needed. Why, then,
are the Republicans being accused of holding up the show.

They're being used as an excuse.

Yeah, and our lying president says one vote makes it "bipartisan" what a
moron...


It's Obama's fault that Olympia Snowe is such a wimp!

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