On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:20:44 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:48:38 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.

It's a non-partisan issue. Both sides have their hands out, and we have
a Supreme Court that has given First Amendment protections to the money
giving whores, albeit limited protection.

Follow the money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...s-of-lobbyist-
giv.html


We'll see how the final health care bill looks.
Jack posted the lobbyists in the Obama admin.
Don't forget that Daschle is/was a health care lobbyist.
Besides being a tax cheater, ala what's-his-name, the guy from the NY
fed and a bunch of the other pols. Geithner.
Our "leaders."
Here's something nobody even talks about in - in plain language.
And that goes for the Dems in charge too.
A big part of proposed health care solutions from both Dem and Rep
sides is gov subsidies for lower-income folks.
Subsidies to buy for-profit health insurance.
And I've seen "lower-icome" defined up to $70k for a family of 4.
Without a public non-corporate health insurance option, this is simple
corporate communism.
It's so darn stupid it makes me sweat behind the ears.
Corporate commies calling the backers of public-option/revenue neutral
health insurance "socialists."
There are a number of health care models around the world that give
better results than ours, and reduce costs to the national economy.
We're too darn busy throwing political stones here to see the writing
on the wall, and instead reinvent the wheel - but it's a square wheel.
That's why there is ever-increasing speculation that the dollar will
soon go away as the premier international currency.
That won't hurt the leaders of course, because they can arbitrage and
make killings trading goods produced elsewhere.
Greed is good.
The facts about what works and what doesn't are well known.
Everybody who can read should have seen the stats on health care costs
and health results from out competitors by now.
But the Dems and Reps have their followers throwing eggs at each other
while they all suck up corporate money gathered up from the little
folks.
Don't even get me started on why no H1N1 vaccine is produced in the
U.S., but it all has to be imported.

That last is the fault of our beloved President. He's been spending
way too much time in front of the camera and not enough time doing his
friggin' job!