Remember when....
 

Tim has not figured out that it is a free country and people can
purchase (or not purchase) whatever they wish. He would prefer to
take away our freedoms to live (and die) as we choose. Therefore, I
will never show him the secret handshake to get into our cult
meetings.

The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the
kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult
member.

Everybodys going to die sometime. That's a fact.

"So many believe that it is love that grows. but it is the knowing
that grows and love simply expands to contain it. Love is just the
skin of knowing". --William P. Young

Grace and peace.

jaybird

Remember when....
 

Cricket wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message
...
snip
Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages
to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator
on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren
wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged
this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is.

Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to
deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the
trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split
into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is
the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every
corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost
exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP
has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers.

All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly
to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing
up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life
left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough
life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I
have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part
of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than
a shadow of its former self.


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Remember when....
 

On Oct 6, 7:09*pm, Wilko wrote:
Cricket wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message
.. .
snip
Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages
to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator
on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren
wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged
this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. *

Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to
deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the
trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split
into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is
the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every
corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost
exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP
has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers..

All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly
to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing
up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life
left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough
life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I
have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part
of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than
a shadow of its former self.

You forgot one very important factor Wilko. The up and coming advent
of the WWW! Just beginning circa 1992 or so, and at that time RBP was
thriving (I'd imagine, I didn't frequent RBP until about 1994, as I
recall.) But with the glorious graphic presentation of the WWW, the
strictly black and white and grapc-less ASCII world of Usenet and RBP
fell quickly by the wayside as more and more users left ASCII-land for
the HTML world of The Web, and web-based message boards.

But you and I, and a few other select diehards are still here! :-)
SponsonBoy unfortunately being one. :-(

John Kuthe...

Cult of Over 1,500 Canoe and Kayak Killings Documented By U.S.Coast Guard
 

On Oct 6, 5:17*pm, jaybird wrote:
Tim has not figured out that it is a free country and people can
purchase (or not purchase) whatever they wish. *He would prefer to
take away our freedoms to live (and die) as we choose. *Therefore, I
will never show him the secret handshake to get into our cult
meetings.

The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the
kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult
member.

Everybodys going to die sometime. *That's a fact.

"So many believe that it is love that grows. but it is the knowing
that grows and love simply expands to contain it. Love is just the
skin of knowing". --William P. Young

Grace and peace.

jaybird

The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
that they
deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200
American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror,
knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad,
and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but
rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at
Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began
the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have
saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10
year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com

But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to
save their lives:

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.


Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.


Tim Ingram

Remember when....
 

On Oct 6, 8:09*pm, Wilko wrote:
Cricket wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message
.. .
snip
Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages
to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator
on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren
wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged
this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. *

Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to
deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the
trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split
into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is
the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every
corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost
exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP
has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers..

All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly
to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing
up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life
left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough
life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I
have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part
of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than
a shadow of its former self.

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
that they
deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200
American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror,
knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad,
and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but
rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at
Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began
the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have
saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10
year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com

But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to
save their lives:

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.


Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.


Tim Ingram

Remember when....
 

On Oct 6, 9:34*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Oct 6, 7:09*pm, Wilko wrote:





Cricket wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message
.. .
snip
Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages
to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator
on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren
wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged
this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. *

Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to
deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the
trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split
into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is
the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every
corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost
exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP
has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers.

All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly
to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing
up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life
left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough
life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I
have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part
of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than
a shadow of its former self.

You forgot one very important factor Wilko. The up and coming advent
of the WWW! Just beginning circa 1992 or so, and at that time RBP was
thriving (I'd imagine, I didn't frequent RBP until about 1994, as I
recall.) But with the glorious graphic presentation of the WWW, the
strictly black and white and grapc-less ASCII world of Usenet and RBP
fell quickly by the wayside as more and more users left ASCII-land for
the HTML world of The Web, and web-based message boards.

But you and I, and a few other select diehards are still here! :-)
SponsonBoy unfortunately being one. :-(

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
that they
deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200
American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror,
knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad,
and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but
rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at
Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began
the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have
saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10
year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com

But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to
save their lives:

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.


Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.


Tim Ingram

Remember when....
 

On Oct 6, 4:23*pm, "Cricket" wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message

...
snip





Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages
to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator
on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren
wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged
this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. *Block him and
ignore him works. *He actually stirs up some life around here now and again.

Spammers that don't swap names every five seconds are easy to ignore - I
think the main attrition issue is other, fancier websites that folks have
gravitated to. *I, living in the back of the beyond (connecting at 26.4K on
a good day), don't like fancy graphics et al, so I like it here. *Some folks
prefer flash, so they go where they can get it.

Of course, in the summer I work too much to paddle, and in the winter - not
around here am I getting on the water! *So few trip reports to make as a
contribution, but I check the group every day. *Ingram is an annoyance, but
I don't think he's important enough to be doing real damage. *Easy enough to
block him, and/or block any threads started by him.

Cricket- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
that they
deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200
American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror,
knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad,
and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but
rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at
Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began
the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have
saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10
year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com

But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to
save their lives:

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.


Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.


Tim Ingram

Remember when....
 

On Oct 6, 11:39*am, Wilko wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 5, 10:07 am, jaybird wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other
paddlers?
Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you
were looking for?
Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as
well as water levels?
Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about
paddling?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers
were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others?

Those were the days.

I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept
me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never
remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling
guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense.

People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the
manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of
part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not
purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of
paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to
purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display
what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because
they chose to be outfitted by someone else.

The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes
to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800
traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data
spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800
fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep
driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy
in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the
same old crap.

I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my
wife told me to take the trash out....

Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club
"all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled":
ECC 1:7

It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly
damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets
it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra /
insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there
are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would
describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to
spoil the function of the group.

I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue.

Roger
www.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats.

Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post
messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real
moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became
the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer
who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
that they
deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200
American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror,
knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad,
and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but
rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at
Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began
the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have
saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10
year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com

But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to
save their lives:

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.


Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.


Tim Ingram

Remember when....
 

Just like old times! The sick puppy puked 5 times in rapid succession!

I still say someone should disable "Sponson Boy's" ability to copy/
paste!

John Kuthe...

The Facts for Sponsons and The Rec.Boats.Paddle Cult
 

On Oct 8, 11:59*am, John Kuthe wrote:
Just like old times! The sick puppy puked 5 times in rapid succession!

I still say someone should disable "Sponson Boy's" ability to copy/
paste!

John Kuthe...

The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded within the last 2 days as
expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children
in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington
school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out
of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.)
They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't
care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest
of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology
experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5
seconds
with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com

But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means
to
save their lives, instead promoting expensive, fraudulent and
profitable American Canoe Association instruction that is their
"true"
spam:

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
drown. And heart attacks while out of the water. The Darlington
school
boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.

Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will sometimes state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to
know canoes and kayaks are dangerous."

In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for
fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite
public
knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both
Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This
deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children
and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of
the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with
inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the
screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most
famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the
world in dozens of university labs.

Tim Ingram