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Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other paddlers? Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you were looking for? Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as well as water levels? Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about paddling? Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others? Those were the days. I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept me from swimming. I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never remember accepting any money from them. I follow their paddling guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense. People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the manner they wish, naked if they so choose. That is an expression of part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not purchasing their products. I have never seen a reputable supplier of paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to purchase alternate equipment. I have never seen an outfitter display what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because they chose to be outfitted by someone else. The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes to Eskimos. Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. And there were 39,800 traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data spewed just recently. And they were happy with only the 39,800 fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. We keep driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. Obviously it isn't very busy in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the same old crap. I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my wife told me to take the trash out.... Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club "all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled": ECC 1:7 |
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Hello Jay, you wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and... Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see if something interesting is happening. Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around (amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to. -- Melissa |
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watersprite wrote:
Hello Jay, you wrote: Remember when you could go to RBP and... Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see if something interesting is happening. Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around (amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to. Yes, as a 60's singer put it: "Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...." RBP was probably in its heighday in 1998. It rapidly went down the hill after that. I'm glad to have tasted a bit of what it was like, with it being more like a big family than a simple text based usenet group. As for Ken Strickland, I think that he posted one or two more stories on Boatertalk since he left RBP. Maybe they are in the Ken Strickland collection of Pete Staehling's website? -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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On Oct 5, 10:07*am, jaybird wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats? Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other paddlers? Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you were looking for? Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as well as water levels? Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about paddling? Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others? Those were the days. I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense. People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because they chose to be outfitted by someone else. The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800 traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800 fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the same old crap. I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my wife told me to take the trash out.... Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club "all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled": ECC 1:7 It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra / insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to spoil the function of the group. I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue. Roger www.virginiarowing.com Edon Recreational Rowing Boats. |
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On Oct 5, 10:07*am, jaybird wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats? Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other paddlers? Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you were looking for? Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as well as water levels? Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about paddling? Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others? Those were the days. I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense. People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because they chose to be outfitted by someone else. The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800 traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800 fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the same old crap. I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my wife told me to take the trash out.... Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club "all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled": ECC 1:7 Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50 cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 5, 5:36*pm, watersprite
wrote: Hello Jay, you wrote: Remember when you could go to RBP and... Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded away. *As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see if something interesting is happening. Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around (amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). *By the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? *I miss those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to. -- Melissa Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50 cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 5, 5:46*pm, Wilko wrote:
watersprite wrote: Hello Jay, you wrote: Remember when you could go to RBP and... Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded away. *As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see if something interesting is happening. Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around (amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). *By the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? *I miss those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to. Yes, as a 60's singer put it: "Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...." RBP was probably in its heighday in 1998. It rapidly went down the hill after that. I'm glad to have tasted a bit of what it was like, with it being more like a big family than a simple text based usenet group. As for Ken Strickland, I think that he posted one or two more stories on Boatertalk since he left RBP. Maybe they are in the Ken Strickland collection of Pete Staehling's website? -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50 cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 6, 7:03*am, wrote:
On Oct 5, 10:07*am, jaybird wrote: Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats? Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other paddlers? Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you were looking for? Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as well as water levels? Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about paddling? Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others? Those were the days. I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense. People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because they chose to be outfitted by someone else. The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800 traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800 fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the same old crap. I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my wife told me to take the trash out.... Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club "all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled": ECC 1:7 It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra / insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to spoil the function of the group. I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue. Rogerwww.virginiarowing.com Edon Recreational Rowing Boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50 cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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"Wilko" wrote in message ... snip Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. Block him and ignore him works. He actually stirs up some life around here now and again. Spammers that don't swap names every five seconds are easy to ignore - I think the main attrition issue is other, fancier websites that folks have gravitated to. I, living in the back of the beyond (connecting at 26.4K on a good day), don't like fancy graphics et al, so I like it here. Some folks prefer flash, so they go where they can get it. Of course, in the summer I work too much to paddle, and in the winter - not around here am I getting on the water! So few trip reports to make as a contribution, but I check the group every day. Ingram is an annoyance, but I don't think he's important enough to be doing real damage. Easy enough to block him, and/or block any threads started by him. Cricket |
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Tim has not figured out that it is a free country and people can
purchase (or not purchase) whatever they wish. He would prefer to take away our freedoms to live (and die) as we choose. Therefore, I will never show him the secret handshake to get into our cult meetings. The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult member. Everybodys going to die sometime. That's a fact. "So many believe that it is love that grows. but it is the knowing that grows and love simply expands to contain it. Love is just the skin of knowing". --William P. Young Grace and peace. jaybird |
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Cricket wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message ... snip Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers. All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than a shadow of its former self. -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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On Oct 6, 7:09*pm, Wilko wrote:
Cricket wrote: "Wilko" wrote in message .. . snip Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. * Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers.. All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than a shadow of its former self. You forgot one very important factor Wilko. The up and coming advent of the WWW! Just beginning circa 1992 or so, and at that time RBP was thriving (I'd imagine, I didn't frequent RBP until about 1994, as I recall.) But with the glorious graphic presentation of the WWW, the strictly black and white and grapc-less ASCII world of Usenet and RBP fell quickly by the wayside as more and more users left ASCII-land for the HTML world of The Web, and web-based message boards. But you and I, and a few other select diehards are still here! :-) SponsonBoy unfortunately being one. :-( John Kuthe... |
Cult of Over 1,500 Canoe and Kayak Killings Documented By U.S.Coast Guard
On Oct 6, 5:17*pm, jaybird wrote:
Tim has not figured out that it is a free country and people can purchase (or not purchase) whatever they wish. *He would prefer to take away our freedoms to live (and die) as we choose. *Therefore, I will never show him the secret handshake to get into our cult meetings. The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult member. Everybodys going to die sometime. *That's a fact. "So many believe that it is love that grows. but it is the knowing that grows and love simply expands to contain it. Love is just the skin of knowing". --William P. Young Grace and peace. jaybird The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 6, 8:09*pm, Wilko wrote:
Cricket wrote: "Wilko" wrote in message .. . snip Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. * Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers.. All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than a shadow of its former self. -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 6, 9:34*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Oct 6, 7:09*pm, Wilko wrote: Cricket wrote: "Wilko" wrote in message .. . snip Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. * Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers. All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than a shadow of its former self. You forgot one very important factor Wilko. The up and coming advent of the WWW! Just beginning circa 1992 or so, and at that time RBP was thriving (I'd imagine, I didn't frequent RBP until about 1994, as I recall.) But with the glorious graphic presentation of the WWW, the strictly black and white and grapc-less ASCII world of Usenet and RBP fell quickly by the wayside as more and more users left ASCII-land for the HTML world of The Web, and web-based message boards. But you and I, and a few other select diehards are still here! :-) SponsonBoy unfortunately being one. :-( John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 6, 4:23*pm, "Cricket" wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message ... snip Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. *Block him and ignore him works. *He actually stirs up some life around here now and again. Spammers that don't swap names every five seconds are easy to ignore - I think the main attrition issue is other, fancier websites that folks have gravitated to. *I, living in the back of the beyond (connecting at 26.4K on a good day), don't like fancy graphics et al, so I like it here. *Some folks prefer flash, so they go where they can get it. Of course, in the summer I work too much to paddle, and in the winter - not around here am I getting on the water! *So few trip reports to make as a contribution, but I check the group every day. *Ingram is an annoyance, but I don't think he's important enough to be doing real damage. *Easy enough to block him, and/or block any threads started by him. Cricket- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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On Oct 6, 11:39*am, Wilko wrote:
wrote: On Oct 5, 10:07 am, jaybird wrote: Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats? Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other paddlers? Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you were looking for? Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as well as water levels? Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about paddling? Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others? Those were the days. I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense. People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because they chose to be outfitted by someone else. The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800 traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800 fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the same old crap. I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my wife told me to take the trash out.... Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club "all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled": ECC 1:7 It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra / insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to spoil the function of the group. I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue. Roger www.virginiarowing.com Edon Recreational Rowing Boats. Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that are from way before Google Groups existed. Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here. Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup itself is basically dead. -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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Just like old times! The sick puppy puked 5 times in rapid succession!
I still say someone should disable "Sponson Boy's" ability to copy/ paste! John Kuthe... |
The Facts for Sponsons and The Rec.Boats.Paddle Cult
On Oct 8, 11:59*am, John Kuthe wrote:
Just like old times! The sick puppy puked 5 times in rapid succession! I still say someone should disable "Sponson Boy's" ability to copy/ paste! John Kuthe... The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded within the last 2 days as expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives, instead promoting expensive, fraudulent and profitable American Canoe Association instruction that is their "true" spam: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they drown. And heart attacks while out of the water. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will sometimes state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
The Facts for Sponsons and The Rec.Boats.Paddle Cult
They are obviuosly letting him use the internet as a reward for
perceived "good behaviour" while in therapy. Clearly his psychiatrist is not reviewing his spam as he is obsessing about imagined culpabilities, and projecting them on others in a way that is detrimental to his own mental state. Poor sick puppy... puke puke puke jaybird |
The Facts for Sponsons and The Rec.Boats.Paddle Cult
On Oct 9, 9:40*am, jaybird wrote:
They are obviuosly letting him use the internet as a reward for perceived "good behaviour" while in therapy. *Clearly his psychiatrist is not reviewing his spam as he is obsessing about imagined culpabilities, and projecting them on others in a way that is detrimental to his own mental state. Poor sick puppy... puke puke puke jaybird The "jaybird" posted in this thread previously: "The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult member. Everybodys going to die sometime. That's a fact... Grace and peace. jaybird Apparently this "killer Christian" approves the murders of over 200 American children and over 1,500 adults (US Coast Guard) because "Everybodys (sic) going to die sometime." Osama bin Laden could not improve on the sheer numbers of cruel and agonizing American deaths, nor Al Queda, nor Taliban. "Jaybird" is proud of his kills here, including the 2 Darlington school boys. It's a deadly cult. The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded within the last 4 days as expected: to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives, instead promoting expensive, fraudulent and profitable American Canoe Association instruction that is their "true" spam: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they drown. And heart attacks while out of the water. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will sometimes state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
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Wilko - Kuthe - Jaybird
It's like old home week. Am I in a time warp? Whew. . . . I'm revising my memoir of the Scott Time (which is how Ken Strickland referred to the heyday of rbp) and coming on here because everything is recorded here. Makes writing a memoir much easier, and Oprah doesn't have to worry about the story being faked! Anyhow, you're in the book, of course, dear Wilko. I can shoot you a copy if you care to read it, but I'm doing a major, major revision (focusing on my sister's fatal illness and the choice she made to forgo a heart-lung transplant). But the whole thing starts in the Scott Time. Anyhow, Timmy, thanks for the chuckle. Anyone think Timmy and BurntNjall might be one and the same? |
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Mothra wrote:
Wilko - Kuthe - Jaybird It's like old home week. Am I in a time warp? Whew. . . . big grin Welcome back, Mothra! I'm revising my memoir of the Scott Time (which is how Ken Strickland referred to the heyday of rbp) and coming on here because everything is recorded here. Makes writing a memoir much easier, and Oprah doesn't have to worry about the story being faked! Yeah, I think Ken got it right (again :-) ) with that expression. Anyhow, you're in the book, of course, dear Wilko. I can shoot you a copy if you care to read it, but I'm doing a major, major revision (focusing on my sister's fatal illness and the choice she made to forgo a heart-lung transplant). But the whole thing starts in the Scott Time. I look forward to reading it, Kathy! Just finished college (again :-) ), so in between job-hunting I have plenty of time to read! :-) Anyhow, Timmy, thanks for the chuckle. Anyone think Timmy and BurntNjall might be one and the same? Nah, I think that compared to the Spamsonman, BurntNjall was too coherent. He knew how to really stick a knife in and twist it when he wanted to cause mayhem, unlike Timmy, who seems to stumble over his own (s?)words instead of causing real damage. -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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