On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:27:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation theory,
you run right into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:49:39 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:27:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation theory,
you run right into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

One supported by billions of people would be pretty important, no?
Should a theory espoused by a couple hundred snake charmers in
southeastern Maryland also be mandated?

You honestly believe that teaching students about religions is an
attempt to 'establish' a religion?

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:25:51 -0400, John H Rant wrote:


You honestly believe that teaching students about religions is an
attempt to 'establish' a religion?

It isn't important whether I believe it or not. It is important whether
the Courts believe it, and they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District

On 10/6/09 5:31 PM, thunder wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:25:51 -0400, John H Rant wrote:


You honestly believe that teaching students about religions is an
attempt to 'establish' a religion?

It isn't important whether I believe it or not. It is important whether
the Courts believe it, and they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District



The rightwingtards would like nothing better than to turn this country
into a christian theocracy. I wouldn't give them a millimeter.

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:31:42 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:25:51 -0400, John H Rant wrote:


You honestly believe that teaching students about religions is an
attempt to 'establish' a religion?

It isn't important whether I believe it or not. It is important whether
the Courts believe it, and they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District

Your example has no bearing on the discussion. No one here is
demanding the 'teaching' of creationism, but instead the fact that
billions of people believe in the possibility - which hasn't been
disproven.

Of course, the 'evolution' of mankind hasn't been proven either.

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:49:39 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:27:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation theory,
you run right into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

Ok - fair enough. Let's take a hypothetical journey.

You're a Middle School science teacher and as part of the biology
section you teach the section on evolution. Two students, solid A
honor roll types tell you that they believe in the New Earth model as
part of their religious upbringing - that it is a tenant of their
belief system.

What do you do?

On 10/6/09 5:45 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:49:39 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:27:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation theory,
you run right into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

Ok - fair enough. Let's take a hypothetical journey.

You're a Middle School science teacher and as part of the biology
section you teach the section on evolution. Two students, solid A
honor roll types tell you that they believe in the New Earth model as
part of their religious upbringing - that it is a tenant of their
belief system.

What do you do?


Tell them that discussion of their religious beliefs is appropriate at
home, in religious school, or at their house of worship, but not in a
public school.



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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:27:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation theory,
you run right into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.


I like that idea!

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On 10/6/09 5:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:27:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation theory,
you run right into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.


I like that idea!



Perhaps we should include voodoo and all the "less popular" religious
beliefs. After all, no matter what they are, they are all the same, and
based upon nothing more than folk tales, oral histories, and superstition.



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Idiots All

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:14:30 -0400, Jim wrote:

You go girl.

I give up - I can't follow the thread anymore.

Damn... :)