http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k


Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been
a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden
but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop
him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in
office.

His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney.
Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice
rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling
with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy
that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sep 29, 8:21*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney..
Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice
rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling
with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy
that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation.

--

the right wing loonies want obama to fix in 8 months what bush screwed
up in 8 years

On Sep 29, 8:21*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message

...

http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k

There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response,

I would expect more from you than that. You knowthat by law he
couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and
Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and
in failing to ask for a federal response. Remember the picture of the
parked, flooded school buses? Then you had the media broadcasting
false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and
the truth there is clear. That was a failing of the state of
Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and
simple.

"Jack" wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 8:21 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message

...

http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k

There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response,

I would expect more from you than that. You knowthat by law he
couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and
Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and
in failing to ask for a federal response. Remember the picture of the
parked, flooded school buses? Then you had the media broadcasting
false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and
the truth there is clear. That was a failing of the state of
Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and
simple.


Reply: Yeah... good job Brownie.... sure. It was a total bungle by FEMA and
Bush sat on his hands. Did the "false reports" include the levy breaks?
Whatever. If you call that a success, I guess you'd call Bush protecting us
from bin laden a success.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Sep 29, 9:54*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message


There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response,

I would expect more from you than that. *You know that by law he
couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and
Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and
in failing to ask for a federal response. *Remember the picture of the
parked, flooded school buses? *Then you had the media broadcasting
false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and
the truth there is clear. *That was a failing of the state of
Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and
simple.

Reply: Yeah... good job Brownie.... sure. It was a total bungle by FEMA and
Bush sat on his hands. Did the "false reports" include the levy breaks?
Whatever.

"State of Louisiana officials, including Governor Blanco and state
emergency management leaders, have been widely criticized for delaying
the ability of the federal government and outside agencies to provide
needed relief and necessary security in the aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina.

Notably, federal troops are generally prohibited from directly
enforcing state laws (e.g., controlling looting or riots) by the Posse
Comitatus Act, with some exceptions. The President can assume command
of state troops under the Stafford Act, but in this "federalized", or
"Title 10" status, the federalized National Guard troops become unable
to enforce laws directly, just like other federal troops. However, the
Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to National Guard troops under the
command of a state governor.

Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush
administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of
law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to
the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco.

Governor Blanco did make a request to the Federal government for
additional National Guard troops (to be under her command) to
supplement the 5,700 Louisiana National Guard troops available in
Louisiana at the time. However, the necessary formal request through
the federal National Guard Bureau was not made until Wednesday, a full
two days after the hurricane hit and when much of the city was already
under water; Blanco explained that she didn't understand specific
types and numbers of troops needed to be requested. By comparison, on
September 2, when Louisiana had only a few hundred National Guardsmen
from other states, Mississippi's National Guard reports having "almost
division strength (about 10,000 troops)" from other states' National
Guards. Blanco also failed to activate a compact with other states
that would have allowed her to bypass the National Guard Bureau in a
request for additional troops.

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility. Many of the problems that arose developed from
inadequate planning and back-up communications systems at various
levels. One example of this is that the City of New Orleans attempted
to manage the disaster from a hotel ballroom with inadequate back-up
communications plans instead of a properly staffed Emergency
Operations Center. When phone service failed, they had difficulty
communicating their specific needs to the state EOC in Baton Rouge.

Press reports indicate that there were other failures at the state and
local level in expediting aid and social services to the stricken
area. Referring again to the federalisation of the National Guard, New
Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin accused the governor of delaying federal
rescue efforts, "I was ready to move today. The governor said she
needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we
could have [...] told the world that we had this all worked out. It
didn't happen, and more people died."

There were reports that Governor Blanco was reluctant to issue a
mandatory evacuation order until President Bush called to personally
ask that she give the order. However, the mandatory evacuation order
was issued by Mayor Nagin, and it is unlikely the Bush call was
decisive in the making of the order.[58] At the August 28 press
conference in which Nagin and Blanco ordered the evacuation of New
Orleans, Blanco actually said that Bush had called, "just before we
walked into this room" to share his concerns and urge that the city be
evacuated.[59]

Again:

"State of Louisiana officials, including Governor Blanco and state
emergency management leaders, have been widely criticized for delaying
the ability of the federal government and outside agencies to provide
needed relief and necessary security in the aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina."

"Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush
administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of
law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to
the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco. "
*So much for sitting on his hands.*

"the necessary formal request through the federal National Guard
Bureau was not made until Wednesday, a full two days after the
hurricane hit and when much of the city was already under water"

"New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin accused the governor of delaying federal
rescue efforts, "I was ready to move today. The governor said she
needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we
could have [...] told the world that we had this all worked out. It
didn't happen, and more people died." Heheh... Nagin even knows who
killed people... the Dim Governor... and he was complicit.

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

Plonk.

"Jack" wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 9:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
Plonk.


I doubt it.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.


fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k


Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been
a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden
but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop
him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in
office.

His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney.
Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice
rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling
with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy
that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation.

There is an old saying having to do with a Christmas Goose. Much of
the verbiage above would put you in that category.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k


Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his
bungling
the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have
been
a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin
laden
but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't
stop
him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in
office.

His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney.
Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice
rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is
struggling
with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy
that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation.

There is an old saying having to do with a Christmas Goose. Much of
the verbiage above would put you in that category.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.


So, you have no rational response... got it.

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Nom=de=Plume