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H the K wrote:
On 9/29/09 10:44 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:13:58 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sep 29, 5:58 pm, H the wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frMqj..._embedded#t=53

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LOL! That vid cracks me up!

flashlights? laser sights in smoke/fog?

Those maroons wouldn't know what hit them.

Nothing like having lights say "HEAR I AM! WHACK ME!"

besides. unlike the paper targets, I really dont' know of anyone, who
would stick their head out around a corner for a good 2-3 seconds
while the "good guys" took stance-aim -fire.

but it looks cool in a gun ad.

dolts!

Nice weapon, but behind the times. A lot of American police agencies
are replacing their 9mm weapons with the Glock 45 and the mini-45 as a
backup weapon.

And for stopping power, nothing beats the .357 Mag revolver I have.
The only problem is the six shots. :) Hey, that's why they make
speed loaders. :)



Well, there may be some PDs going for GLOCK pistols in .45 ACP or
..45GAP, but I doubt there are many of them. GLOCKs are fine pistols,
but they have the usual faults of pistols with polymer lowers (lots of
muzzle flip, "rough" accuracy, etc.) I suspect a larger number of PDs
are moving away from GLOCKs entirely because of the lack of thumb
safeties, which, despite the PR from GLOCK, remains a serious issue.

While there is no question a .45 has more "stopping power" than a 9mm,
the real problem with PDs is that they don't insist their cops spend
more time on the range. Cops, generally, are notoriously bad shots
because of their lack of practice. One of the indoor ranges I visit in
the late fall and early spring attracts a lot of cops and I'm just
astounded at the inability of many of them to hit precisely even at
really close "combat" ranges, like seven yards. Hell, the gang-bangers
at the same range easily outshoot them.

Considering their inability to shoot straight, I'm sure the preferred
weapon of some cops would be a revolver in .500 S&W. It is the inability
of cops to hit the important areas of body mass with their existing
9mm's that is driving whatever impetus there is for
.45's.

As for your .357 magnum, it's not much of a stopper, compared to either
a .45 or a 10mm. The typical .357 mag FMJ 158 grain cartridge only gets
a 32.7 Hatcher Rating. You'd have to go up to wadcutter bullets to raise
that appreciably. Hell, a 9mm FMJ 147 grain cartridge has a Hatcher
Rating of 32.3.




Good Googling! Boring as hell, but good effort WAFA!

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H the K wrote:
On 9/30/09 6:49 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a
lot easier. And you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair
messed up.

Steve


Ultimately, the pen *is* mightier than the sword.



If someone breaks into my house at night while we are at home, he is
going to be facing a firearm pointed at him.


You don't *own* a house (or a lobster boat), WAFA.

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:51:07 -0400, The D wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:13:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 29, 5:58 pm, H the K wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frMqj..._embedded#t=53

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LOL! That vid cracks me up!

flashlights? laser sights in smoke/fog?

Those maroons wouldn't know what hit them.

Nothing like having lights say "HEAR I AM! WHACK ME!"

besides. unlike the paper targets, I really dont' know of anyone, who
would stick their head out around a corner for a good 2-3 seconds
while the "good guys" took stance-aim -fire.

but it looks cool in a gun ad.

dolts!

Nice weapon, but behind the times. A lot of American police agencies
are replacing their 9mm weapons with the Glock 45 and the mini-45 as a
backup weapon.

And for stopping power, nothing beats the .357 Mag revolver I have.
The only problem is the six shots. :) Hey, that's why they make
speed loaders. :)

I have an 8-shot Taurus in stainless. Very nice weapon!

I have a S&W 38 frame hammerless retrofitted to .357. I really need a
small frame revolver because I (1) have stubby fingers and (2) can't
handle large frame revolvers any more.

The nice thing about it is that it's not a normal "stubbie" - the
barrel is two inches longer which improves accuracy up to about 45
yards or so.

The last time I took the .44 Mag out to the range, I literally had to
give up after a couple of shots - my hands just can't take it anymore.
I can handle the Colt 1911 I have fine, but that's really kind of a
"special" weapon I only shoot once in a while - souvenir from the
military days - carried that one from the time I was a Corporal. :)

I've shot the Taurus - nice weapon. I knew they had a seven shot
revolver - didn't know they had an eight shot.

Someday, I might get brave enough to try out my son's Desert Eagle.

Maybe. :)

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:



Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or disable
an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot easier. And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve


Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. :)

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:49:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
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Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a
lot easier. And you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair
messed up.

Steve


Ultimately, the pen *is* mightier than the sword.

When I was in my late teens I had a friend, an African-american from
Gary, IN, who worked in a steel mill in Gary. He would come down to
our farm about once a month to go fishing with us in local waters. On
a particular trip to Belleville, IL, (in his gold Ford Pinto) he told
me about walking home one day from school, a few years earlier, and
being confronted by a couple of gang members, about his age, that
lived in the area. He realized that these other 'black dudes' were
not going to let him go untouched. He had a fountain pen (those were
still widely available back then) in his hand, with his books. He
claimed to have taken the pen and swung it across his torso in the
direction of the two. He said the ink got in their eyes, and he was
able to dart home quickly before they could recover enough to try to
take off after him. So, in this case the pen was mightier. (I don't
think he fabricated the story. He was a devout Christian, and he
didn't seem to be given to hyperbole.)

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On 9/30/09 9:37 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


I have a S&W 38 frame hammerless retrofitted to .357. I really need a
small frame revolver because I (1) have stubby fingers and (2) can't
handle large frame revolvers any more.

The nice thing about it is that it's not a normal "stubbie" - the
barrel is two inches longer which improves accuracy up to about 45
yards or so.


Gosh, just what are you shooting at offhand at 45 yards with improved
accuracy with that retrofitted, 4" barrel revolver? Something really big?


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On Sep 30, 6:07*pm, H the K wrote:
On 9/30/09 5:52 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sep 30, 5:39 am, H the *wrote:

Considering their inability to shoot straight, I'm sure the preferred
weapon of some cops would be a revolver in .500 S&W.
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You mean with one of these?

http://www.arcimboldeb.com/img/eventi/armi3/5.jpg

That or a shotgun.

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But I don't know of any cops that would want to carry, let alone
handle that kind of a cannon.

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On Sep 30, 6:25*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:



Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. *There are many ways to kill or disable
an opponent bare handed. *Those who must rely on a weapon just demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot easier. *And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.
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or a .22

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On Sep 30, 8:40*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400, JohnH
wrote:



On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. *There are many ways to kill or disable
an opponent bare handed. *Those who must rely on a weapon just demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot easier. *And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. *I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. *Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. *:)

Tom, that's fine if you have the pepper.

And Tom, if the .44 gave you that much grief, If I were you, I'd
seriously consider leaving the Desert Eagle alone.

seriously.

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote

I have a S&W 38 frame hammerless retrofitted to .357. I really need a
small frame revolver because I (1) have stubby fingers and (2) can't
handle large frame revolvers any more.

I have the .357 model 60 J frame 5 shot. I have a Safariland paddle that I
carry it on that is very comfortable and concealable. When I went to shoot
it at The Gun Store in Vegas, I got all signed in, and the guy said,
"Where's your gun?" I pulled it out, and he was surprised. It actually
rides behind my midline. I like my KelTec 3AT for just a really concealable
gun, and I don't care to hear any jokes or comments on the .380 Kurz, thank
you very much. But when I want to feel safe, I take the Smith. At times, I
like my Ruger P93DC just for firepower. It rides pretty comfortably on my
appendix in a Galco. But still, the 3AT is a front pocket, back pocket,
inside the belt really concealable gun.

Nevada no longer has reciprocity with Utah, as Utah has no live fire
qualifications when getting a CCF permit for Utah. So, I have to watch
carrying in Nevada now.

MHO YMMV

Steve