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Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
http://yachtpals.com/hydrogen-boats-7030
Looks like some engineering students are really getting serious about hydro-cell technology for marine propulsion. Looks like it could evolve into a a great alternate to fossil fuel and high dock prices. I wish 'em success! |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
"Tim" wrote in message
... http://yachtpals.com/hydrogen-boats-7030 Looks like some engineering students are really getting serious about hydro-cell technology for marine propulsion. Looks like it could evolve into a a great alternate to fossil fuel and high dock prices. I wish 'em success! Why is this better than the "diesel electrics" I've heard about? You have to regen the engergy somehow. I'm also not sure it's as clean as they youtube claimed. You have to make the battery. Of course, it's a step in the right direction. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:25:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... http://yachtpals.com/hydrogen-boats-7030 Looks like some engineering students are really getting serious about hydro-cell technology for marine propulsion. Looks like it could evolve into a a great alternate to fossil fuel and high dock prices. I wish 'em success! Why is this better than the "diesel electrics" I've heard about? You have to regen the engergy somehow. I'm also not sure it's as clean as they youtube claimed. You have to make the battery. Of course, it's a step in the right direction. "This time, however, instead of belching smoke and fire, the cutting-edge power source behind this voyage will produce nothing but water vapor, as the New Cleremont is powered by two specially adapted electric trolling motors connected to a couple of 2.2 kilowatt hydrogen fuel cells." 'Nothing but water vapor' seems to say it all. Yes, the battery had to be produced, but your 'diesel electric' had to be produced *and* it's a polluter. -- John H |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:25:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... http://yachtpals.com/hydrogen-boats-7030 Looks like some engineering students are really getting serious about hydro-cell technology for marine propulsion. Looks like it could evolve into a a great alternate to fossil fuel and high dock prices. I wish 'em success! Why is this better than the "diesel electrics" I've heard about? You have to regen the engergy somehow. I'm also not sure it's as clean as they youtube claimed. You have to make the battery. Of course, it's a step in the right direction. "This time, however, instead of belching smoke and fire, the cutting-edge power source behind this voyage will produce nothing but water vapor, as the New Cleremont is powered by two specially adapted electric trolling motors connected to a couple of 2.2 kilowatt hydrogen fuel cells." 'Nothing but water vapor' seems to say it all. Yes, the battery had to be produced, but your 'diesel electric' had to be produced *and* it's a polluter. How much energy and from what source did the energy come from to get the hydrogen into the fuel cells? It may be the future but it aint quite there yet. Diesel electric is still more cost effective. |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:25:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... http://yachtpals.com/hydrogen-boats-7030 Looks like some engineering students are really getting serious about hydro-cell technology for marine propulsion. Looks like it could evolve into a a great alternate to fossil fuel and high dock prices. I wish 'em success! Why is this better than the "diesel electrics" I've heard about? You have to regen the engergy somehow. I'm also not sure it's as clean as they youtube claimed. You have to make the battery. Of course, it's a step in the right direction. "This time, however, instead of belching smoke and fire, the cutting-edge power source behind this voyage will produce nothing but water vapor, as the New Cleremont is powered by two specially adapted electric trolling motors connected to a couple of 2.2 kilowatt hydrogen fuel cells." 'Nothing but water vapor' seems to say it all. Yes, the battery had to be produced, but your 'diesel electric' had to be produced *and* it's a polluter. -- John H It's an electrical engine that has a diesel as a backup source to repower the battery. The engine isn't any more polluting than any other engine. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
"BAR" wrote in message
... wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:26:55 -0400, BAR wrote: JohnH wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:25:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... http://yachtpals.com/hydrogen-boats-7030 Looks like some engineering students are really getting serious about hydro-cell technology for marine propulsion. Looks like it could evolve into a a great alternate to fossil fuel and high dock prices. I wish 'em success! Why is this better than the "diesel electrics" I've heard about? You have to regen the engergy somehow. I'm also not sure it's as clean as they youtube claimed. You have to make the battery. Of course, it's a step in the right direction. "This time, however, instead of belching smoke and fire, the cutting-edge power source behind this voyage will produce nothing but water vapor, as the New Cleremont is powered by two specially adapted electric trolling motors connected to a couple of 2.2 kilowatt hydrogen fuel cells." 'Nothing but water vapor' seems to say it all. Yes, the battery had to be produced, but your 'diesel electric' had to be produced *and* it's a polluter. How much energy and from what source did the energy come from to get the hydrogen into the fuel cells? It may be the future but it aint quite there yet. Diesel electric is still more cost effective. Hydrogen is a scam, much like ethanol. Overall it is an energy loser. Hybrid vehicles are a scam too. What is the "carbon foot print" of the battery pack to produce and to recycle? I wouldn't call it a scam, but it's certainly not the end all/be all of effective environmentalism. I heard someone say (might have said this before) that it's better to be a vegetarian and own a Hummer than eat meat and own a Prius. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
It may seem a scam at this very moment, but I believe it will get
lined out in the future and become very cost effective, and the technology grows. take a look at where the computer has gone from the ABC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atanaso...Berry_Computer then the ENIAC , not only in costs but capabilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC I'pods and memory sticks have more capabilities than the top computers 10 years ago. I may be wrong, but I think that the hydro-cell has a place in the near future. Anything "new" is cost prohibitive . |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
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... On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: It may seem a scam at this very moment, but I believe it will get lined out in the future and become very cost effective, and the technology grows. take a look at where the computer has gone from the ABC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atanaso...Berry_Computer then the ENIAC , not only in costs but capabilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC I'pods and memory sticks have more capabilities than the top computers 10 years ago. I may be wrong, but I think that the hydro-cell has a place in the near future. Anything "new" is cost prohibitive . Computers don't violate the laws of physics. It takes as much energy to get hydrogen out of a compound as you get when you put it back. It is a chemical battery. It's a matter of efficency, not of changing the laws of physics. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Hydrogen cells for marine propulsion.
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... On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:28:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Computers don't violate the laws of physics. It takes as much energy to get hydrogen out of a compound as you get when you put it back. It is a chemical battery. It's a matter of efficency, not of changing the laws of physics. If it costs as exactly much energy to get hydrogen as you get when you use it (perfect efficiency) it still isn't a fuel, it is just a good battery. Unfortunately the losses are pretty big. This is great for the space program where cost is no object but not very practical competing with Li ON batteries, or even lead. I suppose you could start with elemental hydrogen but most commercial hydrogen comes from natural gas wells The problem is it is a lot more expensive. Why not just use the natural gas? The CLNE solution. Why not use batteries that can be recharged by a small amount of a known commodity that's already fairly inexpensive... diesel or natural gas or whatever. Diesel is ubiquitous, which decreases the hassle factor. Someone said you still have to get the hydrogen right? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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