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De Plume is the quintessence of sophistry. Chaos has no better
ally.


Sophistry and chaos are not allies. I don't use sophistry, but I
would
love
to be called a sophist. I like the original meaning, since I'm not
into
deceiving anyone, unlike some on the right. In case you're not
familiar:

In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of
philosophy
and
rhetoric.

I'll go with the Greek description of chaos also:

http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/th...-Sophists.html

Have a wonderful day!

Actually, I'm more familiar with Sophism than you may care to
believe,
I have no doubt. Too, Sophism was not as treated as deferentially
by
the Socratics as you may care to believe.

"Plato is largely responsible for the modern view of the "sophist"
as
a greedy instructor who uses rhetorical sleight-of-hand and
ambiguities of language in order to deceive, or to support
fallacious
reasoning."

However, I was going with the modern, popular definition.
Concordantly, the "chaos" that I submitted above was not in relative
to "sophism." It was relative to the subject of my first sentence.
It's odd that parsing could be a difficult operation when sophistry
comes so easily.


I never mentioned Aristotle, and I would never assert that he was
deferential to that philosophy. I'm not sure where you got that from
my
comment or the links.

You said the two (sophism and chaos) were allies. That seems like a
relativistic statement.

Neither did I mention Aristotle. And why could "quintessence" not
have been the ally that I was speaking of?

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Sorry I meant Socatics. This is a method of arriving at the "truth"
through
questions and answers. This has something to do with sophistry, but
nothing
to do with chaos. I'm not a big fan of Aristotle.

That's fine. I suspected that you had misstated what you had intended
to say. By "Socratics," I was referring to the students of Socrates,
or those subsequently influenced by his philosophies or his methods of
inquiry. Those who were of the Socratic school frowned on the
Sophists and may have done so with good reason. But, whether there
was merit in the disdain shown by the Socratic school for the Sophists
is a point of contention among those who explore these things
assiduously, as I understand it. Two other prominent schools that
come from that epoch are the Epicurean and Stoic. Both are worth
exploring, for those interested in early philosophy, to appreciate how
currently popular conceptions of the Stoic and the Epicurean differ
from their original precepts.


I've always had an affinity toward stoicism, and I appreciate the attacks
Epicureans have on superstition and deity worship. I'm not a hedonist,
particularly.

I guess I'm not a stoic either. lol

Perhaps you're more of a Utilitarian?

I'm a bit rusty when it comes to philosophy, but isn't that much like
practicalism? I can be very not practical.

I'm a Kierkegaard existentialist myself (at least in some small
measure).

I always preferred reading Sartre... cut from the same cloth, but more
modern.

Kierkegaard is essentially considered the father of existentialism.
Kierkegaard and Sartre approached existentialism from different paths
since Kierkegaard was a devout Christian and Sartre was an avowed
atheist. Existentialism has taken the same route that Humanism did.
Early Humanism started with Christian scholarship in an effort to
re-establish the cultural milleu
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Quick note: I forgot to correct the spelling of "milleu." It should
read "milieu."

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De Plume is the quintessence of sophistry. Chaos has no better
ally.


Sophistry and chaos are not allies. I don't use sophistry, but I
would
love
to be called a sophist. I like the original meaning, since I'm
not
into
deceiving anyone, unlike some on the right. In case you're not
familiar:

In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of
philosophy
and
rhetoric.

I'll go with the Greek description of chaos also:

http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/th...-Sophists.html

Have a wonderful day!

Actually, I'm more familiar with Sophism than you may care to
believe,
I have no doubt. Too, Sophism was not as treated as
deferentially
by
the Socratics as you may care to believe.

"Plato is largely responsible for the modern view of the
"sophist"
as
a greedy instructor who uses rhetorical sleight-of-hand and
ambiguities of language in order to deceive, or to support
fallacious
reasoning."

However, I was going with the modern, popular definition.
Concordantly, the "chaos" that I submitted above was not in
relative
to "sophism." It was relative to the subject of my first
sentence.
It's odd that parsing could be a difficult operation when
sophistry
comes so easily.


I never mentioned Aristotle, and I would never assert that he was
deferential to that philosophy. I'm not sure where you got that
from
my
comment or the links.

You said the two (sophism and chaos) were allies. That seems like a
relativistic statement.

Neither did I mention Aristotle. And why could "quintessence" not
have been the ally that I was speaking of?

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Sorry I meant Socatics. This is a method of arriving at the "truth"
through
questions and answers. This has something to do with sophistry, but
nothing
to do with chaos. I'm not a big fan of Aristotle.

That's fine. I suspected that you had misstated what you had
intended
to say. By "Socratics," I was referring to the students of Socrates,
or those subsequently influenced by his philosophies or his methods
of
inquiry. Those who were of the Socratic school frowned on the
Sophists and may have done so with good reason. But, whether there
was merit in the disdain shown by the Socratic school for the
Sophists
is a point of contention among those who explore these things
assiduously, as I understand it. Two other prominent schools that
come from that epoch are the Epicurean and Stoic. Both are worth
exploring, for those interested in early philosophy, to appreciate
how
currently popular conceptions of the Stoic and the Epicurean differ
from their original precepts.


I've always had an affinity toward stoicism, and I appreciate the
attacks
Epicureans have on superstition and deity worship. I'm not a hedonist,
particularly.

I guess I'm not a stoic either. lol

Perhaps you're more of a Utilitarian?

I'm a bit rusty when it comes to philosophy, but isn't that much like
practicalism? I can be very not practical.

I'm a Kierkegaard existentialist myself (at least in some small
measure).

I always preferred reading Sartre... cut from the same cloth, but more
modern.

Kierkegaard is essentially considered the father of existentialism.
Kierkegaard and Sartre approached existentialism from different paths
since Kierkegaard was a devout Christian and Sartre was an avowed
atheist. Existentialism has taken the same route that Humanism did.
Early Humanism started with Christian scholarship in an effort to
re-establish the cultural milleu
snipped

Quick note: I forgot to correct the spelling of "milleu." It should
read "milieu."

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I'm not a spelling n_zi... lol

Thanks for the link. I've visited the Stanford campus several times over the
years. I even saw good ole George Schultz bustling along.

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