They do inhabit another planet, lacking an atmosphere and oxygen.

I'd have helped this guy rip their table apart if I were there...


As a child in Armenia, Henry Gasparian witnessed firsthand the horrors
of Nazi Germany. Two uncles were killed, his father wounded and a
brother starved to death during the German invasion and occupation of
the Soviet Union. So when Gasparian, 70, of Edmonds, saw a poster of
President Obama with a Hitler mustache near the entrance to the
Edmonds Farmers Market on Sept. 5, he admits that his reaction was
"personal and emotional."

He tried to grab the fliers being passed out by supporters of Lyndon
LaRouche, a perennial presidential candidate who has likened Obama's
health-care proposals to the Nazi extermination of Jews and other
"undesirables."

Two young LaRouche supporters told police that Gasparian repeatedly
pushed them and grabbed one of their arms. Gasparian said it was they
who first pushed him.

Now Gasparian is charged with two counts of fourth-degree assault in
Edmonds Municipal Court for what he describes as an attempt by "an old
man to say you cannot insult the president with this outrageous
campaign."

The Edmonds incident echoed similar incidents across the country over
the past few months. LaRouche supporters and others have disrupted
town-hall meetings on health care, including most famously, the young
woman who asked U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) in August why he
supported a "Nazi health-care plan." Frank replied, "On what planet do
you spend most of your time?"

The LaRouche Political Action Committee Web site says "Stop Obama's
Nazi Health Plan" and encourages visitors to download the
Obama-as-Hitler poster and take it to town-hall meetings.

Locally, LaRouche supporters have set up tables outside of post
offices, at the Evergreen and Puyallup fairs and other public venues.

The local LaRouche activists declined to comment on the Edmonds
incident and referred questions to the national office. Nancy
Spannaus, a spokeswoman for the LaRouche PAC, defended the
Obama-as-Hitler posters saying they are an "honest emblem of what the
administration policy represents."

She said the Obama plan is premised on the idea that some people cost
too much to keep alive, a charge the Obama administration and
health-care advocates say is untrue.

But the heightened rhetoric and extreme views surrounding the public
debate are raising alarm among political observers and groups that
monitor hate speech and threats against minorities.

Hilary Bernstein, Pacific Northwest community director of the
Anti-Defamation League, a national civil-rights organization, worries
that the language first propagated by LaRouche backers, who espouse an
extremist political point of view, is now entering the mainstream
debate.

"What used to be so fringe is making its way into talk radio, blogs,
YouTube and other news sources that people see as legitimate," she
said.

David Domke, a UW professor who specializes in political
communication, said that while people have been saying terrible things
about politicians since the country's beginnings, "the intensity and
depth of feeling today seems to be at a dangerous point."

"We have conversations now in the same way we go to war. We have to
demonize the other person," Domke said.

Local political leaders are also dismayed by the likening of Obama to
Hitler. Jim Kellett, chair of the Snohomish County Republican Party,
saw the LaRouche activists outside the Everett Post Office this
summer. Kellett, who has toured a concentration camp in Germany and
visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., said, "If they
understood what the Holocaust was about, it's really unconscionable to
make that kind of comparison."

He said he's told people opposed to the health-care proposals "to be
civil and come armed with the facts."

Henry Gasparian said that he had seen news reports that included the
images of Obama as Hitler, but wasn't prepared when he saw the poster
outside the crowded Edmonds market.

The police report says that Gasparian yelled at the LaRouche activists
from his car, "flipped them off" and repeatedly yelled obscenities.
The activists told police that he returned on foot and assaulted them
without provocation.

Gasparian left the scene after the confrontation, but said he drove
past the table about two hours later. When he saw a police officer
nearby, he said, he stopped and questioned him about the activists'
right to use the Nazi imagery.

The LaRouche workers saw Gasparian and identified him to the officer
as the man who earlier had assaulted them. That's when Gasparian was
handcuffed and arrested. He said three or four patrol cars surrounded
the intersection of Fifth Avenue and Main Street, "as if they had
caught Bin Laden."

Aramis Gasparian, 29, bailed his father out of jail eight hours later.
He said his father had never had more than a speeding ticket before
this incident.

"It's shocking, to say the least. He's 70 years old," the son said.

Gasparian immigrated from Armenia in 1993, the same year both his
parents died. A classically trained musician with degrees in English
and journalism, he settled in the Seattle area and found jobs in sales
until health concerns forced him to retire.

A week after his arrest, Gasparian was still emotional. He said he
recalled his miserable childhood in Armenia, where, because of the
war, some days he had no more to eat than a small piece of sugar or
bread.

His father, drafted by the Soviets to fight the Nazis when Gasparian
was just 1 year old, returned home six years later, unrecognizable,
injured both physically and mentally.

Historical accounts say that a half-million Armenians fought for the
Soviets against the Germans. Half were killed, including Gasparian's
two uncles.

"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal — OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.

On Sep 17, 10:05*pm, jps wrote:
They do inhabit another planet, lacking an atmosphere and oxygen.

I'd have helped this guy rip their table apart if I were there...

As a child in Armenia, Henry Gasparian witnessed firsthand the horrors
of Nazi Germany. Two uncles were killed, his father wounded and a
brother starved to death during the German invasion and occupation of
the Soviet Union. So when Gasparian, 70, of Edmonds, saw a poster of
President Obama with a Hitler mustache near the entrance to the
Edmonds Farmers Market on Sept. 5, he admits that his reaction was
"personal and emotional."

He tried to grab the fliers being passed out by supporters of Lyndon
LaRouche, a perennial presidential candidate who has likened Obama's
health-care proposals to the Nazi extermination of Jews and other
"undesirables."

Two young LaRouche supporters told police that Gasparian repeatedly
pushed them and grabbed one of their arms. Gasparian said it was they
who first pushed him.

Now Gasparian is charged with two counts of fourth-degree assault in
Edmonds Municipal Court for what he describes as an attempt by "an old
man to say you cannot insult the president with this outrageous
campaign."

The Edmonds incident echoed similar incidents across the country over
the past few months. LaRouche supporters and others have disrupted
town-hall meetings on health care, including most famously, the young
woman who asked U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) in August why he
supported a "Nazi health-care plan." Frank replied, "On what planet do
you spend most of your time?"

The LaRouche Political Action Committee Web site says "Stop Obama's
Nazi Health Plan" and encourages visitors to download the
Obama-as-Hitler poster and take it to town-hall meetings.

Locally, LaRouche supporters have set up tables outside of post
offices, at the Evergreen and Puyallup fairs and other public venues.

The local LaRouche activists declined to comment on the Edmonds
incident and referred questions to the national office. Nancy
Spannaus, a spokeswoman for the LaRouche PAC, defended the
Obama-as-Hitler posters saying they are an "honest emblem of what the
administration policy represents."

She said the Obama plan is premised on the idea that some people cost
too much to keep alive, a charge the Obama administration and
health-care advocates say is untrue.

But the heightened rhetoric and extreme views surrounding the public
debate are raising alarm among political observers and groups that
monitor hate speech and threats against minorities.

Hilary Bernstein, Pacific Northwest community director of the
Anti-Defamation League, a national civil-rights organization, worries
that the language first propagated by LaRouche backers, who espouse an
extremist political point of view, is now entering the mainstream
debate.

"What used to be so fringe is making its way into talk radio, blogs,
YouTube and other news sources that people see as legitimate," she
said.

David Domke, a UW professor who specializes in political
communication, said that while people have been saying terrible things
about politicians since the country's beginnings, "the intensity and
depth of feeling today seems to be at a dangerous point."

"We have conversations now in the same way we go to war. We have to
demonize the other person," Domke said.

Local political leaders are also dismayed by the likening of Obama to
Hitler. Jim Kellett, chair of the Snohomish County Republican Party,
saw the LaRouche activists outside the Everett Post Office this
summer. Kellett, who has toured a concentration camp in Germany and
visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., said, "If they
understood what the Holocaust was about, it's really unconscionable to
make that kind of comparison."

He said he's told people opposed to the health-care proposals "to be
civil and come armed with the facts."

Henry Gasparian said that he had seen news reports that included the
images of Obama as Hitler, but wasn't prepared when he saw the poster
outside the crowded Edmonds market.

The police report says that Gasparian yelled at the LaRouche activists
from his car, "flipped them off" and repeatedly yelled obscenities.
The activists told police that he returned on foot and assaulted them
without provocation.

Gasparian left the scene after the confrontation, but said he drove
past the table about two hours later. When he saw a police officer
nearby, he said, he stopped and questioned him about the activists'
right to use the Nazi imagery.

The LaRouche workers saw Gasparian and identified him to the officer
as the man who earlier had assaulted them. That's when Gasparian was
handcuffed and arrested. He said three or four patrol cars surrounded
the intersection of Fifth Avenue and Main Street, "as if they had
caught Bin Laden."

Aramis Gasparian, 29, bailed his father out of jail eight hours later.
He said his father had never had more than a speeding ticket before
this incident.

"It's shocking, to say the least. He's 70 years old," the son said.

Gasparian immigrated from Armenia in 1993, the same year both his
parents died. A classically trained musician with degrees in English
and journalism, he settled in the Seattle area and found jobs in sales
until health concerns forced him to retire.

A week after his arrest, Gasparian was still emotional. He said he
recalled his miserable childhood in Armenia, where, because of the
war, some days he had no more to eat than a small piece of sugar or
bread.

His father, drafted by the Soviets to fight the Nazis when Gasparian
was just 1 year old, returned home six years later, unrecognizable,
injured both physically and mentally.

Historical accounts say that a half-million Armenians fought for the
Soviets against the Germans. Half were killed, including Gasparian's
two uncles.

"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal — OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.

Cut the political BS

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:06 -0700 (PDT), Katie Ohara
wrote:


Cut the political BS

You are truly insane. Do you not see the irony in your request after
the long campaign you've waged herein?

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:05:46 -0700, jps wrote:



"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal — OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.


Gosh, in a little reverse Bush Rationale, I'd have to ask where these
folks were when these were going around:

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-con...ush_hitler.jpg

Sure seems like you, Harry, Donnie, et al, thought they were quite
cute.
--

John H

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:05:46 -0700, jps wrote:



"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal - OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.


Gosh, in a little reverse Bush Rationale, I'd have to ask where these
folks were when these were going around:

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-con...ush_hitler.jpg

Sure seems like you, Harry, Donnie, et al, thought they were quite
cute.
--

John H

Johnny...you trippin' again...and I don't mean on that MotoGuzzler.
I don't recall seeing poster.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:37 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:05:46 -0700, jps wrote:



"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal - OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.


Gosh, in a little reverse Bush Rationale, I'd have to ask where these
folks were when these were going around:

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-con...ush_hitler.jpg

Sure seems like you, Harry, Donnie, et al, thought they were quite
cute.
--

John H

Johnny...you trippin' again...and I don't mean on that MotoGuzzler.
I don't recall seeing poster.


Donnie, where were you for the past eight years?

Oh, I'm sure you're trying to be derogatory with the 'Guzzler' term,
but what is it supposed to mean? Is it meant to imply the Guzzi uses
more fuel than your RAV4?

Or is it just the best you could come up with?
--

John H

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:37 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:05:46 -0700, jps wrote:



"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal - OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.


Gosh, in a little reverse Bush Rationale, I'd have to ask where these
folks were when these were going around:

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-con...ush_hitler.jpg

Sure seems like you, Harry, Donnie, et al, thought they were quite
cute.
--

John H

Johnny...you trippin' again...and I don't mean on that MotoGuzzler.
I don't recall seeing poster.


Donnie, where were you for the past eight years?

Oh, I'm sure you're trying to be derogatory with the 'Guzzler' term,
but what is it supposed to mean? Is it meant to imply the Guzzi uses
more fuel than your RAV4?

Or is it just the best you could come up with?
--

John H

Well, I suppose with your fat ass saddled up, that MotoGuzzler approaches
the weight of my RAV4.
I'm averaging 11.2 liters per 100 kilometers of city driving. How about you?

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:43:41 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:37 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:05:46 -0700, jps wrote:



"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal - OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.


Gosh, in a little reverse Bush Rationale, I'd have to ask where these
folks were when these were going around:

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-con...ush_hitler.jpg

Sure seems like you, Harry, Donnie, et al, thought they were quite
cute.
--

John H

Johnny...you trippin' again...and I don't mean on that MotoGuzzler.
I don't recall seeing poster.


Donnie, where were you for the past eight years?

Oh, I'm sure you're trying to be derogatory with the 'Guzzler' term,
but what is it supposed to mean? Is it meant to imply the Guzzi uses
more fuel than your RAV4?

Or is it just the best you could come up with?
--

John H

Well, I suppose with your fat ass saddled up, that MotoGuzzler approaches
the weight of my RAV4.
I'm averaging 11.2 liters per 100 kilometers of city driving. How about you?


It's hard not to be derogatory, isn't it Donnie.

Let's see, I'm 6'3 1/2" and weigh 178 lbs (1.91m and 80.7kg). Is that
how you define 'fat ass'? (If so, you should go meet your BFF.)

The Guzzi averages about 4.9 liters per 100 km. I don't track 'city
driving' separately, 'cause I try to spend as little time in the
cities as possible.

Guzzler?
--

John H

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:37 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:05:46 -0700, jps wrote:


"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama
stupid, even criminal - OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting
to anyone no matter who is president," he said.

Gosh, in a little reverse Bush Rationale, I'd have to ask where these
folks were when these were going around:

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-con...ush_hitler.jpg

Sure seems like you, Harry, Donnie, et al, thought they were quite
cute.
--

John H
Johnny...you trippin' again...and I don't mean on that MotoGuzzler.
I don't recall seeing poster.


Donnie, where were you for the past eight years?

Oh, I'm sure you're trying to be derogatory with the 'Guzzler' term,
but what is it supposed to mean? Is it meant to imply the Guzzi uses
more fuel than your RAV4?

Or is it just the best you could come up with?
--

John H

He's pretty damn dumb so I'm sure it was a trademark attack with no
thought involved.