President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.

Won't matter we use tires not tyres. :|

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:07:56 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:56:04 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.

Tom.... political crap aside... we've always been on the same
wavelength regarding redundancy......I really don't think I'd find you
tooling down I-95 in China's "best rubber." What is the opposite of
redundancy?

Actually, I do have Chinese rubber on the Town Car. :)

I understand your point, but isn't the main point of captalism
competition? Work smarter, not harder? How many of these unions jobs
could be done by machine for example? Instead of a trade war which
does nothing other than harm consumers in a number of ways, how about
developing better, faster and efficienct tire factories to compete
with the Chinese not only in volume, but in quality and price?

It seems that the Chinese are ahead of us almost in every area - we're
messing around with "health care" and "cap and trade" when what we
should be doing is spending that bizillion dollars on improving and
rebuilding our industrial base.

I heard something on CNBC the other day about "green jobs" that I
don't think has received enough attention by our leaders and media.
China has locked up supplies of three of the five rare elements used
in making rare earth magnets, batteries and other components of
batteries, electronics and emission chemistries. Literally locked them
up tighter than Midas's wallet. In other words, we will have to go to
the Chinese to build our more efficient cars, generators, etc.

Here's the kicker. We have these elements and rare earths in huge
quantities right here in the US. The kicker is that they are in
environmentally sensitive areas and we all know how that will work out
once somebody wants to start mining.

Why aren't we developing our own sources of oil, gas, minerals, etc.,
etc., etc? Think of the jobs available for that kind of work.

Instead we're screwing around with social engineering and trying to
screw ourselves with restrictive legislation based on dubious science
while the "third world" countries laugh all the way to the bank.

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:07:56 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:56:04 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.
Tom.... political crap aside... we've always been on the same
wavelength regarding redundancy......I really don't think I'd find you
tooling down I-95 in China's "best rubber." What is the opposite of
redundancy?

Actually, I do have Chinese rubber on the Town Car. :)

I understand your point, but isn't the main point of captalism
competition? Work smarter, not harder? How many of these unions jobs
could be done by machine for example? Instead of a trade war which
does nothing other than harm consumers in a number of ways, how about
developing better, faster and efficienct tire factories to compete
with the Chinese not only in volume, but in quality and price?

It seems that the Chinese are ahead of us almost in every area - we're
messing around with "health care" and "cap and trade" when what we
should be doing is spending that bizillion dollars on improving and
rebuilding our industrial base.

I heard something on CNBC the other day about "green jobs" that I
don't think has received enough attention by our leaders and media.
China has locked up supplies of three of the five rare elements used
in making rare earth magnets, batteries and other components of
batteries, electronics and emission chemistries. Literally locked them
up tighter than Midas's wallet. In other words, we will have to go to
the Chinese to build our more efficient cars, generators, etc.

Here's the kicker. We have these elements and rare earths in huge
quantities right here in the US. The kicker is that they are in
environmentally sensitive areas and we all know how that will work out
once somebody wants to start mining.

Why aren't we developing our own sources of oil, gas, minerals, etc.,
etc., etc? Think of the jobs available for that kind of work.

Instead we're screwing around with social engineering and trying to
screw ourselves with restrictive legislation based on dubious science
while the "third world" countries laugh all the way to the bank.

Amen.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:46:07 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

It seems that the Chinese are ahead of us almost in every area

It's more complicated than that. Are they really ahead of us in tire
manufacturing technology or do they have lower costs due to cheap
labor plus low standards for environmental pollution and worker
safety? I suspect it's more the latter. If so, is that the kind of
competition that we really want to be advocating?

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:57:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:46:07 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

It seems that the Chinese are ahead of us almost in every area

It's more complicated than that. Are they really ahead of us in tire
manufacturing technology or do they have lower costs due to cheap
labor plus low standards for environmental pollution and worker
safety? I suspect it's more the latter. If so, is that the kind of
competition that we really want to be advocating?

It's part of it certainly and an important part - inexpensive labor
and almost no need to control pollution because of their "third world"
status while we strangle our economy by passing "cap and trade" which
will hamstring what little industry we have left, raise the cost of
energy by 200% (by some estimates even higher) and place another
hidden tax on the already overburdened taxpayer.

I read somewhere recently where China and India are adding one new
coal fired electric generation facility per day. Our proposed cap and
trade bill and the savings in so-called green house gas emissions
won't even make a blip in the amount of emissions produced by China
and India never mind other developing countries.

Why are we doing this to ourselves? Why can't we compete - really
compete - with technology? While I don't view China as having
complete technical mastery, they are getting there as are the India
and Pakistan. I find it hard to believe that we can't build factories
to make tires efficiently and at relatively the same cost using sound
management practices and technology.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:46:07 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:07:56 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:56:04 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.

Tom.... political crap aside... we've always been on the same
wavelength regarding redundancy......I really don't think I'd find you
tooling down I-95 in China's "best rubber." What is the opposite of
redundancy?

Actually, I do have Chinese rubber on the Town Car. :)

Friggin hilarious...

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:46:07 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:07:56 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:56:04 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.

Tom.... political crap aside... we've always been on the same
wavelength regarding redundancy......I really don't think I'd find you
tooling down I-95 in China's "best rubber." What is the opposite of
redundancy?

Actually, I do have Chinese rubber on the Town Car. :)

I understand your point, but isn't the main point of captalism
competition? Work smarter, not harder? How many of these unions jobs
could be done by machine for example? Instead of a trade war which
does nothing other than harm consumers in a number of ways, how about
developing better, faster and efficienct tire factories to compete
with the Chinese not only in volume, but in quality and price?

It seems that the Chinese are ahead of us almost in every area - we're
messing around with "health care" and "cap and trade" when what we
should be doing is spending that bizillion dollars on improving and
rebuilding our industrial base.

I heard something on CNBC the other day about "green jobs" that I
don't think has received enough attention by our leaders and media.
China has locked up supplies of three of the five rare elements used
in making rare earth magnets, batteries and other components of
batteries, electronics and emission chemistries. Literally locked them
up tighter than Midas's wallet. In other words, we will have to go to
the Chinese to build our more efficient cars, generators, etc.

Here's the kicker. We have these elements and rare earths in huge
quantities right here in the US. The kicker is that they are in
environmentally sensitive areas and we all know how that will work out
once somebody wants to start mining.

Why aren't we developing our own sources of oil, gas, minerals, etc.,
etc., etc? Think of the jobs available for that kind of work.

Instead we're screwing around with social engineering and trying to
screw ourselves with restrictive legislation based on dubious science
while the "third world" countries laugh all the way to the bank.

Your assumptions are dubious. All speculative.

Been taking strawman lessons from Rush too? You and Frogwatch make a
good pair.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:57:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:46:07 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

It seems that the Chinese are ahead of us almost in every area

It's more complicated than that. Are they really ahead of us in tire
manufacturing technology or do they have lower costs due to cheap
labor plus low standards for environmental pollution and worker
safety? I suspect it's more the latter. If so, is that the kind of
competition that we really want to be advocating?

Thank you Wayne.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:11:02 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
President Obama just keeps looking smarter and smarter every day.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f67c6fe6-a...44feabdc0.html

"The decision to impose extra tyre tariffs followed a petition by the
United Steelworkers union, which represents workers at many US tyre
factories. Official figures show an increase in imports from 14.6m in
2004 to 46m in 2008."

Figures.

Won't matter we use tires not tyres. :|

Watch out Seinfeld. Chris Rock, move over.

Twain is howling from his grave!