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says...

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:16 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Make no mistake about it: President Obama and the Democrats are not
going to back down until they get this bill done.

Oh yeah - they sure are going to get it done.

I was more concerned with the Blue Dog Democrats, than I was with the
Progressives, and the Blue Dogs seem to be getting on board. The House
isn't a problem, but the Senate could have been. I'm thinking there will
be perhaps 1/2 dozen, or so, Republican Senators that will also come over
from the dark side.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..

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JustWait wrote:

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..


You barely got through high school, and you've never had a real job.
What the hell could you possibly know about the health care industry or
its issues from a macro point of view?




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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:16 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Make no mistake about it: President Obama and the Democrats are not
going to back down until they get this bill done.
Oh yeah - they sure are going to get it done.
I was more concerned with the Blue Dog Democrats, than I was with the
Progressives, and the Blue Dogs seem to be getting on board. The House
isn't a problem, but the Senate could have been. I'm thinking there will
be perhaps 1/2 dozen, or so, Republican Senators that will also come over
from the dark side.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..


Only the GOP would give kudos for someone heckling the president giving
a speech in Congress. Even most Republican politicians are railing
against what he did, but the unhinged portion? They think it's just grand.

In article , NotNow@noway.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..


Only the GOP would give kudos for someone heckling the president giving
a speech in Congress. Even most Republican politicians are railing
against what he did, but the unhinged portion? They think it's just grand.

Read the original statement again, then my response.. Maybe I missed
something here but heckling was not even part of the conversation. Seems
like you just blurted out an attack at "the unhinged portion" out of the
blue.. Seems a bit unhinged to me



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JustWait wrote:
In article , NotNow@noway.
Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.
Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..

Only the GOP would give kudos for someone heckling the president giving
a speech in Congress. Even most Republican politicians are railing
against what he did, but the unhinged portion? They think it's just grand.

Read the original statement again, then my response.. Maybe I missed
something here but heckling was not even part of the conversation. Seems
like you just blurted out an attack at "the unhinged portion" out of the
blue.. Seems a bit unhinged to me



I take it you didn't see the title of the post?

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:59:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:58:15 -0400, H the K wrote:


I believe a bill reasonably close to what Obama highlighted last night
will land on his desk.

I also tend to think it will.

I agree about the progressives. They're not stupid. Under Obama's
proposals, they're getting nearly a full platter of what they wanted. It
would be foolish for them to sit on their hands and hope for something
better.

As has been discussed, the biggest fear of the Republicans is that
*anything* gets passed, because whatever is passed will be something the
majority of voters will like, and it will be awfully easy for the Dems
to run ads in 2010 and 2012 against those nasty ReThugs who opposed
health care reform.

Moderate Republicans? You mean the two Senators from Maine?

Those two, but I suspect several more, including some rather Conservative
Senators. If the final package comes in close to deficit neutral, I
suspect you could have McCain and Voinovich on board. Perhaps, another
couple, but I wouldn't want to guess who.

Orrin Hatch?

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:40:07 -0400, H the K
wrote:

JustWait wrote:

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..


You barely got through high school, and you've never had a real job.
What the hell could you possibly know about the health care industry or
its issues from a macro point of view?

Talking points all. He couldn't field an original thought if the cops
threatened to throw him down the stairs.

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:


President Obama gave a very powerful speech making his case for health
care reform. Watching Republicans confused as to whether they should
stand and applaud various lines was telling. He had them completely
off balance.

Of course, the line every pundit will talk about is the GOP
congressman -- reportedly Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) -- who yelled "lie"
during the first part of the president's speech. It was so
astoundingly rude that it's almost certain to backfire and will give
the president a few extra approval points among the American public.

Uh oh.
Just saw that Wilson is a new GOP hero.
They're already selling "You Lie!" t-shirts and car cups.
And he's a potential GOP 2012 presidential candidate.
Wow.
Looks like he's really quite a guy.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

President Obama gave a very powerful speech making his case for health
care reform. Watching Republicans confused as to whether they should
stand and applaud various lines was telling. He had them completely
off balance.

Of course, the line every pundit will talk about is the GOP
congressman -- reportedly Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) -- who yelled "lie"
during the first part of the president's speech. It was so
astoundingly rude that it's almost certain to backfire and will give
the president a few extra approval points among the American public.

Uh oh.
Just saw that Wilson is a new GOP hero.
They're already selling "You Lie!" t-shirts and car cups.
And he's a potential GOP 2012 presidential candidate.
Wow.
Looks like he's really quite a guy.

--Vic



Wilson & Bachmann in 2012:
The Best of Foot in Mouth Disease


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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:


President Obama gave a very powerful speech making his case for health
care reform. Watching Republicans confused as to whether they should
stand and applaud various lines was telling. He had them completely
off balance.

Of course, the line every pundit will talk about is the GOP
congressman -- reportedly Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) -- who yelled "lie"
during the first part of the president's speech. It was so
astoundingly rude that it's almost certain to backfire and will give
the president a few extra approval points among the American public.

Uh oh.
Just saw that Wilson is a new GOP hero.
They're already selling "You Lie!" t-shirts and car cups.
And he's a potential GOP 2012 presidential candidate.
Wow.
Looks like he's really quite a guy.

--Vic

Yeah and his congressional opponent is $400K richer... in like two days.

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