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Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp Social Work $33,400 $41,600 Hmmmmm...... |
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"NotNow" wrote in message
... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any kind... |
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"H the K" wrote in message
m... nom=de=plume wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any kind... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message m... nom=de=plume wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any kind... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees. |
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H the K wrote:
Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. |
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"H the K" wrote in message
... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees. I guess some things require a higher education to understand. lol -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... So you're a racket scientist eh. Well that don't impress me much. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:23:53 -0400, Jim wrote:
Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... So you're a racket scientist eh. Well that don't impress me much. You could argue that torpedoed his thesis. But he did say he *wasn't* a racket scientist. I don't think racket scientists have to work 2 jobs, what with their rackets going, so that figures. --Vic |
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Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work. Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat business, which he ran for some 30 years. Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences. I never regretted getting a formal classical education. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:05:38 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? Here's an interesting conundrum sparked by this thread and something I was reading earlier this evening. Eratosthenes was a Greek mathematician, poet, geographer, astronomer and archivist being Chief Librarian of the Great Library of Alexandria. Among other things, he invented the armillary sphere (spherical astrolabe), wrote an algorithm for finding prime numbers up to about 12,000,000 or thereabouts, calculated the circumference of the Earth with 99% accuracy using nothing but sticks, a guy to walk and measure the distance from Alexandria to Syene and basic geometry, calculated the exact axis tilt of the Earth, and while his calculation of distance to the Moon was off by about 20% (which was due to refraction error of the atmosphere), he nailed the distance to the Sun quite accurately, created an incredibly accurate map of the "world" as it was known then, invented scientific chronology and wrote extensively about the political, social and scientific events of his time. He was born in what is now Libya about 240 BC and did all of that without a "university" or "college" education. I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. There's an older woman here in town, 98 years young, who amassed a huge fortune over the years by changing with the times, starting off as a field hand for her father's farm and ending up owning one of the manufacturing plants in Putnam which makes different kinds of line, binding materials, threading machinery and the like. She was taught to read the King James Bible and basic arithmetic by counting sheep, cows, bales of hay, etc., and took off from there - not even an elementary school education. Consider this - Steve Jobs never graduated from Reed College only spending one semester there. Wozniak dropped out of UC, Berkely after his Freshman year, Gates dropped out of Harvard. It's true even in the arts - Ansel Adams and Edward Weston never attened institutes of higher "education", but became responsible for a revolution in photography. A lot of the more famous artists and painters like Georgia O'Keeffe didn't have a lot of formal art education. Muscians much the same - Thelonious Monk, Artie Tatum, etc., were self taught. It's really a matter of what you are interested in and how much curiosity you have that give credence to being "educated" - the formal stuff, not so much. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. If you are self-taught, *you* are the individual in charge of determining what you expose yourself to during the process of learning. If you go the formal route, there are many who can guide you, as teachers, as colleagues, as fellow students, as group experiences. |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K
wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. If you are self-taught, *you* are the individual in charge of determining what you expose yourself to during the process of learning. If you go the formal route, there are many who can guide you, as teachers, as colleagues, as fellow students, as group experiences. As you said, learning the wide scope of different world/cultural experience, which is always formatted into a liberal arts curriculum to some degree, is the important aspect. What any individual derives from such an education it is highly individual and varied. My view is that if you can't widely analogize in the end, it's somewhat of a failure. The ultimate goal is to come to an understanding of a universal consciousness, if only momentarily. It is not forgotten. This always involves what we can call a Zen element, as an easily and fairly widely "understood" term for that type of understanding. Though some allowances can be made for one's physical appearance and verbal skills, a good measure of success in your liberal arts education is how well you can apply what you've learned toward scoring with hot smart chicks. Of course if you forego the education, money works just as well. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. If you are self-taught, *you* are the individual in charge of determining what you expose yourself to during the process of learning. If you go the formal route, there are many who can guide you, as teachers, as colleagues, as fellow students, as group experiences. As you said, learning the wide scope of different world/cultural experience, which is always formatted into a liberal arts curriculum to some degree, is the important aspect. What any individual derives from such an education it is highly individual and varied. My view is that if you can't widely analogize in the end, it's somewhat of a failure. The ultimate goal is to come to an understanding of a universal consciousness, if only momentarily. It is not forgotten. This always involves what we can call a Zen element, as an easily and fairly widely "understood" term for that type of understanding. Though some allowances can be made for one's physical appearance and verbal skills, a good measure of success in your liberal arts education is how well you can apply what you've learned toward scoring with hot smart chicks. Of course if you forego the education, money works just as well. --Vic Woody Guthrie had that understanding of universal consciousness, the night he saw the movie "The Grapes of Wrath." His song "Tom Joad" has the following lines: "Ever'body might be just one big soul, Well it looks that a-way to me. Everywhere that you look, in the day or night, That's where I'm a-gonna be, Ma, That's where I'm a-gonna be. "Wherever little children are hungry and cry, Wherever people ain't free. Wherever men are fightin' for their rights, That's where I'm a-gonna be, Ma. That's where I'm a-gonna be." The book, the movie, and the song have a lot to say to Americans today, especially as more and more are "tractored out by the Cats." |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:39:31 -0400, H the K
wrote: Woody Guthrie had that understanding of universal consciousness, the night he saw the movie "The Grapes of Wrath." His song "Tom Joad" has the following lines: "Ever'body might be just one big soul, Well it looks that a-way to me. Everywhere that you look, in the day or night, That's where I'm a-gonna be, Ma, That's where I'm a-gonna be. "Wherever little children are hungry and cry, Wherever people ain't free. Wherever men are fightin' for their rights, That's where I'm a-gonna be, Ma. That's where I'm a-gonna be." The book, the movie, and the song have a lot to say to Americans today, especially as more and more are "tractored out by the Cats." That reminds me I saw part of a piece on Lou Dobbs this week where Anglos were going to work picking fruit because of the economy. Didn't get all the details. Every once in a while you run across somebody with universal consciousness. They have an aura. Had it for a while myself in spurts, but couldn't maintain it. 'Course, might be fooling myself. Charisma is used sometimes, but I think that's different and doesn't run as deep. When my eldest son was a tot he wouldn't be away from my pants or his ma's skirt. I mean NOBODY got even close to him without him throwing a fit. We visited a workmate one evening and the workmate's nephew was there. Right when we walked into the room the nephew, a lanky guy of about 30 with a toothy smile, smiled at Luke and opened his arms. Luke ran right into those arms. Never saw anything like it. But I could feel this guy's aura. He had something. Lots of things we don't understand, or don't work to understand. Maybe more whiskey would help. Not sure. --Vic |
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Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:23:53 -0400, Jim wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... So you're a racket scientist eh. Well that don't impress me much. What? I can't hear you! You're good at your job, then!! |
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On 3-Sep-2009, NotNow wrote: Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! And thankfully, none of those skills are needed in the U.S. anymore! Everything we want comes from the gubment. |
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Steve wrote:
On 3-Sep-2009, NotNow wrote: Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! And thankfully, none of those skills are needed in the U.S. anymore! Everything we want comes from the gubment. If that is the case, you should find out of the "gubment" will loan you a brain. |
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On 4-Sep-2009, H the K wrote: And thankfully, none of those skills are needed in the U.S. anymore! Everything we want comes from the gubment. If that is the case, you should find out of the "gubment" will loan you a brain. Been asleep for 25 years?? |
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H the K wrote:
Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work. Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat business, which he ran for some 30 years. Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences. I never regretted getting a formal classical education. "my father".... Yawn |
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On Sep 4, 9:14*pm, D 2 wrote:
H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. *But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work. Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat business, which he ran for some 30 years. Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences. I never regretted getting a formal classical education. "my father".... Yawn "racket scientist", I will have to remember that one and use it. Great whoever thought of it. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On Sep 4, 9:14 pm, D 2 wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work. Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat business, which he ran for some 30 years. Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences. I never regretted getting a formal classical education. "my father".... Yawn "racket scientist", I will have to remember that one and use it. Great whoever thought of it. Unlike Krueger, I knew my father. He lived with us. Krueger's father could have been anyone. |
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H the K wrote:
Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago. |
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H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "H the K" wrote in message m... nom=de=plume wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any kind... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees. Would you like fries with that? Or, how would you like your steak cooked? |
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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago. I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the right-wing retards here will believe you. |
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H the K wrote:
BAR wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago. I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the right-wing retards here will believe you. Care to trade 1040's? |
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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: BAR wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago. I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the right-wing retards here will believe you. Care to trade 1040's? 1. Not proof of anything...anyone with tax software can fake entries tax forms. 2. If you've had your at-will job for 15-20 years, my guess is that you've broken the $100,000 salary barrier. That's no big deal in this market. |
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"BAR" wrote in message
... H the K wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "H the K" wrote in message m... nom=de=plume wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any kind... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees. Would you like fries with that? Or, how would you like your steak cooked? Eww... I never eat at fast food "restaurants" if I can help it. I only eat steak once or twice a month at most. I treat it as a delicacy, not as a staple. I have a great respect for music majors also. Talk about limited job prospects! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K
wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and discussed. A study by Santa Clara University in 2002 demonstrated that among social science and humanities professors nationwide, there are seven Democrats to every lone Republican. In some fields, this ratio climbs as high as 30-to-1. This has serious implications for the spirited debate so central to education. There is discrimination when dissertation topics that take conservative positions receive harder, and harsher, scrutiny - not because the evaluators have a conscious agenda they wish to advance, but for the obvious reason that we are all instinctively more open to an argument with which we agree. I've experienced this and is one of the two reasons I'm not involved in academia any more other than research/project consulting and sitting on PhD review boards occasionally. If you are self-taught, *you* are the individual in charge of determining what you expose yourself to during the process of learning. If you go the formal route, there are many who can guide you, as teachers, as colleagues, as fellow students, as group experiences. Doesn't surprize me at all that your general life's view as a collectivist extends to education. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and discussed. Awwwww....Tom's ideology is going down the toilet, where, of course, it belongs. You righties are getting stranger and stranger..."Black Man in the White House" is really driving you over the edge. Glad to see it. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "H the K" wrote in message m... nom=de=plume wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any kind... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees. Would you like fries with that? Or, how would you like your steak cooked? Eww... I never eat at fast food "restaurants" if I can help it. I only eat steak once or twice a month at most. I treat it as a delicacy, not as a staple. My sister worked at a restaurant in old town Alexandria back in 1981 during the summer of her freshman/sophomore year at college. She was pulling in an average of $200 a night. Makes the $1.60 an hour she was getting paid meaningless. I have a great respect for music majors also. Talk about limited job prospects! Music majors make great computer programmers. Philosophy majors make very good computer programmers too. |
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... I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it may be, of course). Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees. Would you like fries with that? Or, how would you like your steak cooked? Eww... I never eat at fast food "restaurants" if I can help it. I only eat steak once or twice a month at most. I treat it as a delicacy, not as a staple. My sister worked at a restaurant in old town Alexandria back in 1981 during the summer of her freshman/sophomore year at college. She was pulling in an average of $200 a night. Makes the $1.60 an hour she was getting paid meaningless. I have a great respect for music majors also. Talk about limited job prospects! Music majors make great computer programmers. Philosophy majors make very good computer programmers too. So I guess a liberal arts education is ok after all! lol -- Nom=de=Plume |
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H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On Sep 4, 9:14 pm, D 2 wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of you deep thinkers. I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down to only one, now.... I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist to earn a wage. A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value...... Don't belittle a classical education until you have one..... Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work. Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat business, which he ran for some 30 years. Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences. I never regretted getting a formal classical education. "my father".... Yawn "racket scientist", I will have to remember that one and use it. Great whoever thought of it. Unlike Krueger, I knew my father. He lived with us. Krueger's father could have been anyone. Nice try, WAFA, he's alive and well. |
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H the K wrote:
BAR wrote: H the K wrote: BAR wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts! | |http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry, arithmetic, music, or astronomy? An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn a trade. And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago. I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the right-wing retards here will believe you. Care to trade 1040's? 1. Not proof of anything...anyone with tax software can fake entries tax forms. 2. If you've had your at-will job for 15-20 years, my guess is that you've broken the $100,000 salary barrier. That's no big deal in this market. I spend more than that each year. It's good for the economy and the charities. |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:32:04 -0400, H the K
wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and discussed. Awwwww....Tom's ideology is going down the toilet, where, of course, it belongs. You righties are getting stranger and stranger..."Black Man in the White House" is really driving you over the edge. A black man in the White House is meaningless to a guy who won a court case to adopt a homeless state orphan who was black. A black Marine's blood runs in my veins and saved my life. I don't see color - I never have, I never will. It's only "progressives" like you who see color in humanity - ordinary people like me live the ideal of "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character". You owe me an apology. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:32:04 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and discussed. Awwwww....Tom's ideology is going down the toilet, where, of course, it belongs. You righties are getting stranger and stranger..."Black Man in the White House" is really driving you over the edge. A black man in the White House is meaningless to a guy who won a court case to adopt a homeless state orphan who was black. A black Marine's blood runs in my veins and saved my life. I don't see color - I never have, I never will. It's only "progressives" like you who see color in humanity - ordinary people like me live the ideal of "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character". You owe me an apology. Ok: Tom's ideology is going down the toilet, where, of course, it belongs. You righties are getting stranger and stranger. "Black Man in the White House" is really driving all of you righties *except Tom* over the edge. Better? -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:58:28 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:32:04 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and discussed. mindless rancor removed A black man in the White House is meaningless to a guy who won a court case to adopt a homeless state orphan who was black. A black Marine's blood runs in my veins and saved my life. Injured in combat? (I understand if you care not to respond.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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H the K wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:32:04 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity and that formal education is merely a process by which information is presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the surrounds them and what goes on in it. A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process." While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual requirements and standards for graduation. At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours. Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and discussed. Awwwww....Tom's ideology is going down the toilet, where, of course, it belongs. You righties are getting stranger and stranger..."Black Man in the White House" is really driving you over the edge. A black man in the White House is meaningless to a guy who won a court case to adopt a homeless state orphan who was black. A black Marine's blood runs in my veins and saved my life. I don't see color - I never have, I never will. It's only "progressives" like you who see color in humanity - ordinary people like me live the ideal of "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character". You owe me an apology. Ok: Tom's ideology is going down the toilet, where, of course, it belongs. You righties are getting stranger and stranger. "Black Man in the White House" is really driving all of you righties *except Tom* over the edge. Better? You failed. |
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BAR wrote:
You failed. Actually, Bertie, I went to college and passed all my courses, and in the process earned two degrees. I succeeded. You skipped college and joined the marines. You failed. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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