H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?


An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to
learn a trade.
Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of
you deep thinkers.

I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I
was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down
to only one, now....

I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my
first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist
to earn a wage.

A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a
lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value......

Don't belittle a classical education until you have one.....


Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids
to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No
manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to
be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work.

Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a
chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in
art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he
opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts
from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as
the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat
business, which he ran for some 30 years.

Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to
stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his
advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual
labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences.

I never regretted getting a formal classical education.

"my father"....

Yawn

On Sep 4, 9:14*pm, D 2 wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. *But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?

An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to
learn a trade.
Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of
you deep thinkers.

I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I
was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down
to only one, now....

I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my
first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist
to earn a wage.

A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a
lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value......

Don't belittle a classical education until you have one.....

Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids
to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No
manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to
be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work.

Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a
chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in
art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he
opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts
from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as
the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat
business, which he ran for some 30 years.

Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to
stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his
advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual
labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences.

I never regretted getting a formal classical education.

"my father"....

Yawn

"racket scientist", I will have to remember that one and use it.
Great whoever thought of it.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Sep 4, 9:14 pm, D 2 wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:18 -0400, Jim wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp
None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?
An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to
learn a trade.
Obviously. Even the basket weaving courses were too tough for some of
you deep thinkers.
I went, on my 14th birthday, to get a worker's permit..... and until I
was in my 40's worked at least 2 jobs at any one given time. I'm down
to only one, now....
I was capable and actively involved in working a trade before I got my
first liberal arts degree.... you don't have to be a racket scientist
to earn a wage.
A good education serves to "polish and adorn the mind." Something a
lot of posters here certainly don't seem to value......
Don't belittle a classical education until you have one.....
Hmmm. I also got a work permit at the age of 14. The state allowed kids
to work if they were doing ok in school and the work was "light." No
manufacturing jobs or jobs running serious machinery. I think you had to
be either 16 or maybe 18 for heavier work.
Before he started his own business, my father was the ad manager for a
chain of small stores his uncle owned. Before that, he got a degree in
art. Figure painting was his lifelong avocation. Just before WWII, he
opened a machine shop and soon after the war broke out, he got contracts
from a brass company in Waterbury to turn out shell casings. As soon as
the war was over, he started up a motorcycle, scooter, and boat
business, which he ran for some 30 years.
Anyway, when it became time for me to go to college, he encouraged me to
stick with the liberal arts and "learn how to think." I followed his
advice. He got me some pretty good summertime jobs that required manual
labor, and I was glad for them and for the experiences.
I never regretted getting a formal classical education.
"my father"....

Yawn

"racket scientist", I will have to remember that one and use it.
Great whoever thought of it.


Unlike Krueger, I knew my father. He lived with us. Krueger's father
could have been anyone.

H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?



An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to learn
a trade.

And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your
liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago.

H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol


You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any
kind...


I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a
formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude
them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though
it may be, of course).



Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point
regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees.

Would you like fries with that? Or, how would you like your steak cooked?

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?



An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to
learn a trade.

And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with your
liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago.


I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the
right-wing retards here will believe you.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?



An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to
learn a trade.

And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with
your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago.


I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the
right-wing retards here will believe you.

Care to trade 1040's?

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:27 -0400, NotNow penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!
|
|http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

None, I suspect, have EVER been in liberal arts. But, then, how
civilized would we be without grammar, rhetoric, logic, geometry,
arithmetic, music, or astronomy?



An awful lot of us liberal arts graduates didn't go to college to
learn a trade.

And some of us didn't go to college and we passed those of you with
your liberal arts degrees in the earnings area long ago.


I doubt it, Bertie. but you keep trying to sell it. I'm sure the
right-wing retards here will believe you.

Care to trade 1040's?

1. Not proof of anything...anyone with tax software can fake entries tax
forms.

2. If you've had your at-will job for 15-20 years, my guess is that
you've broken the $100,000 salary barrier. That's no big deal in this
market.

"BAR" wrote in message
...
H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Most are in engineering, funny, though, NONE are in liberal arts!

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

I guess we should just let them speak ****. lol


You realize that "notnow" (aka loogy) is not a college grad of any
kind...


I have great respect for people who can make it through life without a
formal education. They have fewer options, but that doesn't preclude
them from making a positive contribution to society (socialist though it
may be, of course).



Indeed, but loogy apparently was trying to make some sort of point
regarding the starting salary value of certain college degrees.

Would you like fries with that? Or, how would you like your steak cooked?


Eww... I never eat at fast food "restaurants" if I can help it. I only eat
steak once or twice a month at most. I treat it as a delicacy, not as a
staple.

I have a great respect for music majors also. Talk about limited job
prospects!

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:33:08 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

I've always been of the opinion that "education" is really curiosity
and that formal education is merely a process by which information is
presented in ways that provide some order to the process and is not
essential for one to be "educated". Some of the smartest people I've
ever dealt with have high school educations, but are well and widely
read, have sound knowledge of basic mathematics (arithmetic, geometry
and trigonometry) and an insatiable curiosity about the world the
surrounds them and what goes on in it.


A good formal education is an indicator for many of intellectual
curiosity. It is much more than "merely a process."

While no one can deny the intellectual and worldly success of the
self-taught in many fields, the fact is that a college degree is at the
very least a rough indicator that its "owner" had enough self-discipline
to stick with a course of study, and satisfy the intellectual
requirements and standards for graduation.

At its best, a good formal liberal arts education forces you to think
way outside the box, and exposes you to ideas and people whose
backgrounds and thoughts are very different from yours.

Bull****. There has emerged a culture within the academic system in
which only one set of liberal or progressive ideas is believed and
discussed.

A study by Santa Clara University in 2002 demonstrated that among
social science and humanities professors nationwide, there are seven
Democrats to every lone Republican. In some fields, this ratio climbs
as high as 30-to-1.

This has serious implications for the spirited debate so central to
education. There is discrimination when dissertation topics that take
conservative positions receive harder, and harsher, scrutiny - not
because the evaluators have a conscious agenda they wish to advance,
but for the obvious reason that we are all instinctively more open to
an argument with which we agree.

I've experienced this and is one of the two reasons I'm not involved
in academia any more other than research/project consulting and
sitting on PhD review boards occasionally.

If you are self-taught, *you* are the individual in charge of
determining what you expose yourself to during the process of learning.
If you go the formal route, there are many who can guide you, as
teachers, as colleagues, as fellow students, as group experiences.

Doesn't surprize me at all that your general life's view as a
collectivist extends to education.