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Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:12 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. It's a lot better than when we went in. Girls are in school for one... Bull****!!! "The reasons for the intense support for al-Zaidi is that the people of Iraq have been experiencing the grim realities of life after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of their country in 2003. Iraq’s physical infrastructure, destroyed by the invasion, continues to be in disrepair despite the Bush administration’s claims that $69 billion has been invested in Iraq. At least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died owing to the occupation. Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country and live in squalid refugee camps. The number of internally displaced persons is said to be even larger." Max Boot, neocon editorialist and Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) wrote in an opinion column that; "It was no accident that he [Rumsfeld] neglected the kind of post-invasion planning needed to implement the sweeping changes envisioned by his boss, George W. Bush, and his erstwhile deputy, Paul Wolfowitz." Daniel Goure, neocon nuclear-warhawk, summed it up on the CFR website. "It is either an illegal, immoral, or mistaken enterprise foisted on the American public by a neo-con [servative] cabal or a legitimate, even noble, enterprise gone awry by the hubris of those at the White House and Pentagon. From the failures of intelligence and the lack of a plan for stability and reconstruction..." "The draft report, mentioned in the first paragraph above and with a preliminary title of; Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience, states that, "... the US Government was not adequately prepared to carry out the reconstruction mission it took on..." - again ignoring the fact that this was not so much a failure of government as it was a disastrous failure of free market economics." How does current power generation compare with the Saddam era? "Experts say power disruptions and brownouts also occurred under Saddam but that service is even less reliable now. "There's no question that [power outages] are worse now," says a UN development official, who would only speak on condition of anonymity. After the first Gulf War, when U.S. planes shelled Iraqi power stations and disrupted much of the country's electricity grid, Saddam's government acted relatively quickly to restore service, especially in Baghdad" What is the status of Iraq’s oil production? "Oil output, which constitutes roughly half of Iraq's gross domestic product, is still well below its prewar level of 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd), an output that was already attenuated because of UN sanctions against Saddam's regime. Despite $1.7 billion of U.S. investment, Iraq is still producing below 2 million bpd, well short of its official OPEC quota of 3.5 million bpd. Monthly oil revenues from exports remain a meager $2.9 billion (by comparison, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil producer, had monthly revenues last year of around $13 billion). U.S. officials are eager to boost Iraq's oil revenues to support the newly formed government and help pay for a number of planned projects. Iraq holds one of the world's largest untapped reserves of oil but its existing fields are sorely outdated and underdeveloped." And on and on..... Now go find a conservative pundit. Or do you want me to do it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to.. None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled, buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political stability, and that promise never came to fruition either. So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and on and on. Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're killing babies as fast as liberals? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:18 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Gene wrote: | On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: | | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL | | If we are going to have socialized medicine, why reinvent the wheel? | Let's just put everybody under the VA administration for health care | and, from what most of you folks say, everybody should be happy.... | | Why wouldn't that work? | |I'm guessing it would be acceptable to many here if it weren't for the |fact that there's a liberal in office. I find the silence deafening! Plus, this thread has gone on for so long that I doubt any facts are now to be found..... For many years, the VA's health services have been seriously underfunded. The previous occupant of the White House went to war without consider the impact the returning wounded would have on the military's medical delivery systems for active and separated service personnel. I see no reason for a federal medical service for "civilians." What is needed is a system that properly oversights control and operation of private health insurance companies. I think the Federal Employee Health Benefit Act provides the model. A "public" insurer owned by the taxpayers could easily be added to that sort of mix. At some point you have to ask yourself exactly what the "for profit" health insurance industry does to improve health care or delivery of same, aside from a 30% profit to the corporation and its owners. Damn. I agree with this post. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:00 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 3:22 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? that you don't know tells us why we're in the mess we're in that you can't state what the mess is tells us you don't know what you are talking about but, you still have the issue don't you- the mess is that we've been there for 8 years and still haven't resolve the problem. i know to you right wingers, that's not an issue because a right wing president was failing, but to patriotic americans, it IS a problem You've stated that the mess is the problem and the a right wing president was failing but, you haven't stated why we are in Afghanistan. What is our goal in Afghanistan? and part of the problem is that you, like bush, can't see the problem You can't identify let alone state the problem. You freaking liberals latched onto Afghanistan as the good war and touted Iraq as the bad war. Iraq is quite and Afghanistan is turning to crap and you have egg on your face. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:04 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: he's implementing good economics that the republicans themselves tried to get started last year. you don't know much about economics, do you? What "good ecomonics" is Obama implementing? high govt spending to make up for lack of consumer demand. Where does the government get its money? From a magic bag in Fort Knox? You do understand that the government does not create wealth. nor has the free market in the last year. in fact the free market DESTROYED wealth. you just seem to want to ignore the data. What the free market gives the free market takes. It is called a cycle. Ask the USSR, oops can't do that can you they went bankrupt. China understands it because they have private businesses.- china's economy grew faster than ours did last year. you were saying about how the rich help the middle class? You missed the point completely. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:56:20 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? It's BO's war. He could have been out long ago. Makes no difference who started it. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Right, I forgot, in conservative view, if history makes Bush look bad, then by gawd there IS no history. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:02:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. Bull****. And, you know it. That's not BO's excuse for staying there. -- John H Well, then, take a look for yourself....... http://www.cfr.org/publication/10971/ http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/02/2...gue-iraq/4209/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...raq/html/1.stm Okay, now make excuses..... |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:12 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. It's a lot better than when we went in. Girls are in school for one... Bull****!!! "The reasons for the intense support for al-Zaidi is that the people of Iraq have been experiencing the grim realities of life after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of their country in 2003. Iraq’s physical infrastructure, destroyed by the invasion, continues to be in disrepair despite the Bush administration’s claims that $69 billion has been invested in Iraq. At least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died owing to the occupation. Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country and live in squalid refugee camps. The number of internally displaced persons is said to be even larger." Max Boot, neocon editorialist and Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) wrote in an opinion column that; "It was no accident that he [Rumsfeld] neglected the kind of post-invasion planning needed to implement the sweeping changes envisioned by his boss, George W. Bush, and his erstwhile deputy, Paul Wolfowitz." Daniel Goure, neocon nuclear-warhawk, summed it up on the CFR website. "It is either an illegal, immoral, or mistaken enterprise foisted on the American public by a neo-con [servative] cabal or a legitimate, even noble, enterprise gone awry by the hubris of those at the White House and Pentagon. From the failures of intelligence and the lack of a plan for stability and reconstruction..." "The draft report, mentioned in the first paragraph above and with a preliminary title of; Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience, states that, "... the US Government was not adequately prepared to carry out the reconstruction mission it took on..." - again ignoring the fact that this was not so much a failure of government as it was a disastrous failure of free market economics." How does current power generation compare with the Saddam era? "Experts say power disruptions and brownouts also occurred under Saddam but that service is even less reliable now. "There's no question that [power outages] are worse now," says a UN development official, who would only speak on condition of anonymity. After the first Gulf War, when U.S. planes shelled Iraqi power stations and disrupted much of the country's electricity grid, Saddam's government acted relatively quickly to restore service, especially in Baghdad" What is the status of Iraq’s oil production? "Oil output, which constitutes roughly half of Iraq's gross domestic product, is still well below its prewar level of 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd), an output that was already attenuated because of UN sanctions against Saddam's regime. Despite $1.7 billion of U.S. investment, Iraq is still producing below 2 million bpd, well short of its official OPEC quota of 3.5 million bpd. Monthly oil revenues from exports remain a meager $2.9 billion (by comparison, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil producer, had monthly revenues last year of around $13 billion). U.S. officials are eager to boost Iraq's oil revenues to support the newly formed government and help pay for a number of planned projects. Iraq holds one of the world's largest untapped reserves of oil but its existing fields are sorely outdated and underdeveloped." And on and on..... Now go find a conservative pundit. Or do you want me to do it? -- John H Why? From the above, are you still saying that Bush's infrastructure rebuilding program failure is "bull****"? |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to.. None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled, buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political stability, and that promise never came to fruition either. So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and on and on. Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're killing babies as fast as liberals? -- John H How fast are liberals killing babies? Also, I've given you plenty of reading material that backs my claims regarding Iraq's infrastructure and Bush's failure to rebuild. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
D 2 wrote:
H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:18 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Gene wrote: | On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: | | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL | | If we are going to have socialized medicine, why reinvent the wheel? | Let's just put everybody under the VA administration for health care | and, from what most of you folks say, everybody should be happy.... | | Why wouldn't that work? | |I'm guessing it would be acceptable to many here if it weren't for the |fact that there's a liberal in office. I find the silence deafening! Plus, this thread has gone on for so long that I doubt any facts are now to be found..... For many years, the VA's health services have been seriously underfunded. The previous occupant of the White House went to war without consider the impact the returning wounded would have on the military's medical delivery systems for active and separated service personnel. I see no reason for a federal medical service for "civilians." What is needed is a system that properly oversights control and operation of private health insurance companies. I think the Federal Employee Health Benefit Act provides the model. A "public" insurer owned by the taxpayers could easily be added to that sort of mix. At some point you have to ask yourself exactly what the "for profit" health insurance industry does to improve health care or delivery of same, aside from a 30% profit to the corporation and its owners. Damn. I agree with this post. Are you okay??? |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:01:43 -0400, NotNow wrote:
John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:02:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. Bull****. And, you know it. That's not BO's excuse for staying there. -- John H Well, then, take a look for yourself....... http://www.cfr.org/publication/10971/ http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/02/2...gue-iraq/4209/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...raq/html/1.stm Okay, now make excuses..... Read what you post: "I wish there is a person to blame or specific side to throw the blame on but unfortunately there are countless sides and people to throw the blame on…it’s all about corruption, decades of falling behind the medical developments, physicians and doctors with little medical ethics who will have high ethics when they leave Iraq, doctors who are really bad in their job but holds important positions because they are from a specific political party or they know “people”, sectarian violence, gangs working under the mask of religion, people with agenda of brain-killing Iraq…and the list goes on." And, don't post crap that's three and a half years old pretending it is current. And, 'Bama hasn't said he's going to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure. So, why's he keeping troops there? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:04:24 -0400, NotNow wrote:
John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to.. None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled, buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political stability, and that promise never came to fruition either. So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and on and on. Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're killing babies as fast as liberals? -- John H How fast are liberals killing babies? Somewhere around 16,000 per year. Also, I've given you plenty of reading material that backs my claims regarding Iraq's infrastructure and Bush's failure to rebuild. You're a good, if somewhat disillusioned, man. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:04:24 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:40:19 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? That is a question none of them can answer... They just say it because Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart told them to.. None of 'them'? Who is them? I can answer it. Bush promised to rebuild infrastructure, then did nothing. Oilwells and pipelines mangled, buildings blown up, roads broken, electric distribution ruined, water pipelines inoperative, and on and on. Also, Bush promised them political stability, and that promise never came to fruition either. So they have no oil pipelines, no electricity, no roads, no water, and on and on. Wow. You can make up some pretty good stuff, Loog. I wonder if they're killing babies as fast as liberals? -- John H How fast are liberals killing babies? Somewhere around 16,000 per year. Really? How so? Also, I've given you plenty of reading material that backs my claims regarding Iraq's infrastructure and Bush's failure to rebuild. You're a good man. There, I fixed it for you! |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes A. He increased spending for HIV B. He left office |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. -- John H Yeah, it isn't easy cleaning up the **** after Bush. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
NotNow wrote:
D 2 wrote: H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:18 -0400, NotNow penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Gene wrote: | On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote: | | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL | | If we are going to have socialized medicine, why reinvent the wheel? | Let's just put everybody under the VA administration for health care | and, from what most of you folks say, everybody should be happy.... | | Why wouldn't that work? | |I'm guessing it would be acceptable to many here if it weren't for the |fact that there's a liberal in office. I find the silence deafening! Plus, this thread has gone on for so long that I doubt any facts are now to be found..... For many years, the VA's health services have been seriously underfunded. The previous occupant of the White House went to war without consider the impact the returning wounded would have on the military's medical delivery systems for active and separated service personnel. I see no reason for a federal medical service for "civilians." What is needed is a system that properly oversights control and operation of private health insurance companies. I think the Federal Employee Health Benefit Act provides the model. A "public" insurer owned by the taxpayers could easily be added to that sort of mix. At some point you have to ask yourself exactly what the "for profit" health insurance industry does to improve health care or delivery of same, aside from a 30% profit to the corporation and its owners. Damn. I agree with this post. Are you okay??? I'll get over it. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... This is rich and so obvious to anyone not a moron like JustHate. The GOP goal here was to water down health care reform bills with as much crap as the Republicans could attach to it and then...not vote for whatever emerged. **** the Republicans. All they have shown is that they have no interest in anything but tossing up roadblocks on the road to progress. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther Idiots All |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns... Take the reigns? The reigns? Doesn't the idiot know the difference between rein and reign? Well, at least he didn't misuse the word rain. :) -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger Idiots All |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... I'm sorry, just what does Fannie and Freddie have to do with health care? |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. Cite? Here's a start, you only get a hundred thousand or so hits with google: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/max...contributions/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rns-back-home/ http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2...campaign-cash/ So, I just read the links and they just don't address the republican bills and amendments. All they talk about is campaign cash, which goes around on both sides. Remember, Obama and Dodd got more money from Fannie and Freddi than anyone else.. Either way, it's obvious that the repub bills have been summarily dismissed, still no "change" there... I'm sorry, just what does Fannie and Freddie have to do with health care? About as much as your links discuss the republican bills and amendments... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:44:08 -0400, H the K
wrote: JustWait wrote: See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns... Take the reigns? Obviously forgot about Bush providing the first stimulus. We were already in a ****heap and heading down fast when Obama seized the reins and did something about. Thank goodness, since the economy seems to be leveling and job losses are beginning to abate. Who'd have Bush stimulated? Bullet manufacturers? |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:14:25 -0400, NotNow wrote:
And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. Show me where I've said that. You think it's cute to make up crap. You are the only one who comments about the liberals killing the elderly. No one else has mentioned such a sick idea. -- John H "Vote for a Democrat, it's easier than working!" |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
In article ,
says... John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. Never, never said that at all. All I ever said and read carefully was: There are panels of unassociated people who would be available as "end of life panels" (Obama's words not mine), only difference is I called them "death" panels. I guess I can admit to not knowing that "end of life" and "death" are two totally different concepts... But I never said anything about euthanasia, never, not once. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. Never, never said that at all. All I ever said and read carefully was: There are panels of unassociated people who would be available as "end of life panels" (Obama's words not mine), only difference is I called them "death" panels. I guess I can admit to not knowing that "end of life" and "death" are two totally different concepts... But I never said anything about euthanasia, never, not once. Perhaps you missed when John said this about Obama. Notice, if you will the "help elderly meet a timely death". What in hell does that sound like to you? Be a devout Christian, kill babies, help the elderly meet a 'timely' death, enlarge government as much as possible, allow the 15 million illegals in this country to fast track....... And you have agreed with him on this point, going as far as quoting some right wing lie where someone said that Obama's bill could put us on the road to forced euthanasia! |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:39:51 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. Never, never said that at all. All I ever said and read carefully was: There are panels of unassociated people who would be available as "end of life panels" (Obama's words not mine), only difference is I called them "death" panels. I guess I can admit to not knowing that "end of life" and "death" are two totally different concepts... But I never said anything about euthanasia, never, not once. Perhaps you missed when John said this about Obama. Notice, if you will the "help elderly meet a timely death". What in hell does that sound like to you? Be a devout Christian, kill babies, help the elderly meet a 'timely' death, enlarge government as much as possible, allow the 15 million illegals in this country to fast track....... And you have agreed with him on this point, going as far as quoting some right wing lie where someone said that Obama's bill could put us on the road to forced euthanasia! Hey Loogy, just what the hell is an 'end of life panel' supposed to do if not help the elderly meet a timely death. Would they be working towards an 'untimely' death? Because I'll tell you, *that's* what the fear is. Not many old folks trust 'Bama. But, there is no way I suggested 'Bama said he was going to euthanize anyfriggin' body. An apology is in order - to both Scotty and me. -- John H "Vote for a Democrat, it's easier than working!" |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. Never, never said that at all. All I ever said and read carefully was: There are panels of unassociated people who would be available as "end of life panels" (Obama's words not mine), only difference is I called them "death" panels. I guess I can admit to not knowing that "end of life" and "death" are two totally different concepts... But I never said anything about euthanasia, never, not once. Perhaps you missed when John said this about Obama. Notice, if you will the "help elderly meet a timely death". What in hell does that sound like to you? Be a devout Christian, kill babies, help the elderly meet a 'timely' death, enlarge government as much as possible, allow the 15 million illegals in this country to fast track....... And you have agreed with him on this point, going as far as quoting some right wing lie where someone said that Obama's bill could put us on the road to forced euthanasia! I still didn't say it... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Those pesky facts again about healthcare
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:50:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:06:36 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:42:42 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:57:40 -0400, NotNow wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today? Never said that. But the history that counts starts today. Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I didn't buy the car today? Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- Maybe because he is doing what HE thinks is right, as opposed to doing what Rush thinks is right. I believe Rush thought Iraq was a good idea. I guess he and BO are thinking alike on this issue. As long as we all understand whose war it is now. -- John H Do you think it would be easier to withdraw from a war that someone started for some unknown reason, or to have not started it in the first place? Are you of the mindset that what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now? Listen, fact is Obama ran on the promise that he had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo.. promised he would be transparent, reach across the isle... And that was just in one speech. So, really he didn't have a plan for any of these issues. And you all bought it. Remember, half the country didn't... You didn't answer my questions. Obama did, he said he had a plan, period. He didn't have a clue... You didn't answer my questions. Ok, here is your answer. I don't know. How's that. Of course I didn't get to be POTUS on the basis that I did... So now answer mine, did Obama lie, or was he clueless? Neither. He made a timing mistake. He didn't realize fully how much Bush ****ed things up. So your answer is "clueless". I can accept that. Again, putting words on my mouth. Not to worry, it happens a lot when a conservative has nothing but spin. liberal = bad conservative = good. Got it. Now I've got some elderly folks to kill off..... didn't realize=clueless Wake up, Loog. The guy has you mesmerized or ****ed off because you voted for him. I hope it's the latter, but it sounds more and more like the former. -- John H Neither. Unlike you, I can see both sides of an issue. So, we have answered all of your questions... Please tell me what Bush did that was good in your eyes, and tell me what is wrong with one of the bills put up by repubs on health care, since you said they were "opposite of everything they (dems) believe".. Thanks, I will check back tonight for the list... What is wrong with the bills is that they all keep health care costs where they are now, lining the pockets of their contributers. What did Bush do that I agree with? Well, when he finally sent General Honore to take control, that was a success. And he done a fine job ducking that shoe that was thrown at him. And I liked his pick in John Roberts. Obama now has the unemployment rate up to 9.7%. But, he's saved over twelve million jobs. What a guy. I'm surprised he's not patting himself on the back for that feat. Biden is... It's tough cleaning up the **** stains that Bush left. See, we actually look at the numbers. The economy didn't crash out till Pelosi and Reid (bought and paid for by Soros) sold us out to big oil and the banks and wall street by refusing to take the reigns, instead of 200+ investigations about weather Scooter Libby remembered the right date of a conversation... Of course it was the best way to win an election and after all, who really got hurt anyway? snerk Wait till you see what is going to happen to our security while the Congress goes after Cheney through our intelligence agencies, in a personal vendetta of hypocrisy... And we want to kill the elderly, don't forget..... I've never seen anyone but you say that, and it's pretty sick. You don't mention the babies, which *are* being killed by liberals. You and Scotty BOTH stated right here that Obama wants to show the elderly how to Euthanize themselves. Never, never said that at all. All I ever said and read carefully was: There are panels of unassociated people who would be available as "end of life panels" (Obama's words not mine), only difference is I called them "death" panels. I guess I can admit to not knowing that "end of life" and "death" are two totally different concepts... But I never said anything about euthanasia, never, not once. Perhaps you missed when John said this about Obama. Notice, if you will the "help elderly meet a timely death". What in hell does that sound like to you? Be a devout Christian, kill babies, help the elderly meet a 'timely' death, enlarge government as much as possible, allow the 15 million illegals in this country to fast track....... And you have agreed with him on this point, going as far as quoting some right wing lie where someone said that Obama's bill could put us on the road to forced euthanasia! I still didn't say it... Oh, so as long as you agree to OTHER people's lies, then it isn't a lie??? |
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