Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....

Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article ,
says...

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082502734.html

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...te-house-deal/

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar..._in_cou ntry/

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...h_insuran ce/

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...e-Efforts.aspx

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...he_massac.html

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...ilblazing-its-

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...nce_rates.html

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.

You've done a VERY good job at what John would probably describe as
Obama derangement syndrome and have also done well at avoiding
mentioning anything about the lies that the conservatives are dishing
out about health care reform.

Cause every time you note one, it turns out to be an "is, is" thing.. We
call 'em "death panels", and you call 'em "end of life panels"...
snerk

Well, last day of summer for me and the kids.. bummer. The Mouse wants
to spend a year at Millsap, yeah right, maybe a week.

Are they anywhere near you?

http://www.mtfmx.com/

If you notice, they cross train with Jiu-Jitsu for strength, and
concentration...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....

Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.

Just last month he said he was not going to go back and override the
reviews already done by the DOJ... It's pure politics and it will
backfire, trust me.

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082502734.html

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...te-house-deal/

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar..._in_cou ntry/

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...h_insuran ce/

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...e-Efforts.aspx

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...he_massac.html

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...ilblazing-its-

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...nce_rates.html

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.
You've done a VERY good job at what John would probably describe as
Obama derangement syndrome and have also done well at avoiding
mentioning anything about the lies that the conservatives are dishing
out about health care reform.

Cause every time you note one, it turns out to be an "is, is" thing.. We
call 'em "death panels", and you call 'em "end of life panels"...
snerk

Well, last day of summer for me and the kids.. bummer. The Mouse wants
to spend a year at Millsap, yeah right, maybe a week.

Are they anywhere near you?

http://www.mtfmx.com/

If you notice, they cross train with Jiu-Jitsu for strength, and
concentration...



Your kid wants to drop out of school to attend full-time motorcycle
riding school?

Well, that sort of figures...

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 8:45 am, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:54:08 -0500, thunder
wrote:





On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one was
that?

Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.

Not true? I will accept that if you can show me where I have stated
anything that is factually incorrect. Since I'm waging a war on
disingenuous semantics, you should also be able to show me where I
used the term "budget surplus." If you can do that, I may even be
willing to concede your "not true" indictment.

Still, just for a little bit of morning amusement, I'll proffer this;

"The only debt that matters is the total national debt. You can have a
surplus and a debt at the same time, but you can't have a surplus if
the amount of debt is going up each year. And the national debt went
up every single year under Clinton. Had Clinton really had a surplus
the national debt would have gone down. It didn't go down precisely
because Clinton had a deficit every single year. The U.S. Treasury's
historical record of the national debt verifies this.

A balanced budget or a budget surplus is a great thing, but it's only
relevant if the budget surplus turns into a real surplus at the end of
the fiscal year. In Clinton's case, it never did."


it also matters if the rate at which the debt is increasing is
increasing (think 2nd derivative). and if you pay only interest on
debt the debt doesn't decrease. but if you borrow and spend like the
radical republicans did, THEN the debt increases

and bush and reagan were the biggest spenders in US history

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:47*am, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...09/08/25/AR200....

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...tals-see-profi....

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...ay_state_healt....

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas.../2009/08/15/30....

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...Budget-Pressur....

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._boston_globe_....

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...on-globe-story....

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...egon_health_in....

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.
You've done a VERY good job at what John would probably describe as
Obama derangement syndrome and have also done well at avoiding
mentioning anything about the lies that the conservatives are dishing
out about health care reform.

Cause every time you note one, it turns out to be an "is, is" thing.. We
call 'em "death panels", and you call 'em "end of life panels"...
snerk

Well, last day of summer for me and the kids.. bummer. The Mouse wants
to spend a year at Millsap, yeah right, maybe a week.

Are they anywhere near you?

http://www.mtfmx.com/

If you notice, they cross train with Jiu-Jitsu for strength, and
concentration...

Your kid wants to drop out of school to attend full-time motorcycle
riding school?

Well, that sort of figures...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice post for a test..... to you I say, it's really too bad your kids
never had dreams...

My daughter was about 6 maybe 7 years old when she decided she wanted
to fly. She spent hours and days in the back yard, jumping and
running, finally we built a pair of "wings" for her to try... This all
went on for months and not once did my wife or I tell her she couldn't
do it. She is a smart kid, we figured someday she would find a way and
now she has...

She knows it's not reality to go to MTF right now, but we have taken
on a habit of never telling her "never"... You wouldn't understand,
and if you did, you wouldn't have it in you to admit it. Too bad
really your kids never did anything worth bragging about, I mean, you
do brag about everything else, one can only assume....

Later ****head.. This is a test of beta 2.9.1.1 or something like
that, it should kill this post all together simply because you are in
it.. buh, bye...

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:34*am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....

Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Test... No, you are not blocked................yet;)

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article d15b11c3-d7af-4a0a-9336-
,
says...

On Sep 1, 9:34*am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....

Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Test... No, you are not blocked................yet;)

Yeah! This version works... I set up my filters to block not only WAFA,
but any replies to anything he posts. Just did a couple of tests and it
seems to be working, the last version let some through. I will keep you
posted, later. RMR.. Home of kiddie racing and all sorts of other
dreams...


--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:47*am, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...09/08/25/AR200....

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...tals-see-profi....

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...ay_state_healt....

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas.../2009/08/15/30....

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...Budget-Pressur....

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._boston_globe_....

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...on-globe-story....

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...egon_health_in....

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.
You've done a VERY good job at what John would probably describe as
Obama derangement syndrome and have also done well at avoiding
mentioning anything about the lies that the conservatives are dishing
out about health care reform.

Cause every time you note one, it turns out to be an "is, is" thing.. We
call 'em "death panels", and you call 'em "end of life panels"...
snerk

Well, last day of summer for me and the kids.. bummer. The Mouse wants
to spend a year at Millsap, yeah right, maybe a week.

Are they anywhere near you?

http://www.mtfmx.com/

If you notice, they cross train with Jiu-Jitsu for strength, and
concentration...

Your kid wants to drop out of school to attend full-time motorcycle
riding school?

Well, that sort of figures...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

second test....

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:24*am, NotNow wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:37:15 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...09/08/25/AR200....

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...tals-see-profi....

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...ay_state_healt....

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas.../2009/08/15/30....

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...Budget-Pressur....

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._boston_globe_....

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...on-globe-story....

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...egon_health_in....

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.

Shame on you. They're not 'death panels', they're 'end of life'
panels. Any astute individual could figure out that 'end of life' has
absolutely nothing to do with death.
--
John H

Just remember, we also want to eat your babies. Right after we kill the
elderly.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

second test

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:47*am, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Indeed - lets talk pesky facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...09/08/25/AR200....

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...tals-see-profi....

The model for Obama care.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...ay_state_healt....

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas.../2009/08/15/30....

Did we mention rationing?

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...Budget-Pressur....

However, to be fair, here's your side of the issue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._boston_globe_....

Then there are the facts.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...on-globe-story....

But let's not stop there - another "obamacare" type system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...egon_health_in....

Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

And of course, the best one of all - gambling for health care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334813,00.html

Facts are pesky indeed.
You've done a VERY good job at what John would probably describe as
Obama derangement syndrome and have also done well at avoiding
mentioning anything about the lies that the conservatives are dishing
out about health care reform.

Cause every time you note one, it turns out to be an "is, is" thing.. We
call 'em "death panels", and you call 'em "end of life panels"...
snerk

Well, last day of summer for me and the kids.. bummer. The Mouse wants
to spend a year at Millsap, yeah right, maybe a week.

Are they anywhere near you?

http://www.mtfmx.com/

If you notice, they cross train with Jiu-Jitsu for strength, and
concentration...

Your kid wants to drop out of school to attend full-time motorcycle
riding school?

Well, that sort of figures...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One more time, just for luck;)

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article e9de1c54-6655-40ee-89a5-5ebdc5c493e0
@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, says...

On Sep 1, 9:47*am, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article , Not....
@noway.com

Well, that sort of figures...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One more time, just for luck;)

****.. I will get back with you all....

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:45:20 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:54:08 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating.
It only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one
was that?

Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. Bush
did inherit a $128 billion surplus.

Not true? I will accept that if you can show me where I have stated
anything that is factually incorrect. Since I'm waging a war on
disingenuous semantics, you should also be able to show me where I used
the term "budget surplus." If you can do that, I may even be willing to
concede your "not true" indictment.

Still, just for a little bit of morning amusement, I'll proffer this;

"The only debt that matters is the total national debt. You can have a
surplus and a debt at the same time, but you can't have a surplus if the
amount of debt is going up each year. And the national debt went up
every single year under Clinton. Had Clinton really had a surplus the
national debt would have gone down. It didn't go down precisely because
Clinton had a deficit every single year. The U.S. Treasury's historical
record of the national debt verifies this.

A balanced budget or a budget surplus is a great thing, but it's only
relevant if the budget surplus turns into a real surplus at the end of
the fiscal year. In Clinton's case, it never did."

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Talk about disingenuous. Let's see, Clinton did have a budget surplus.
Debt, as a percentage of GDP, went down. Our debt load went down, but
you are right, he didn't have a surplus.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Sep 1, 9:47 am, H the K wrote:


Nice post for a test..... to you I say, it's really too bad your kids
never had dreams...


Well, since I don't live through my children as you seem to, I don't
post a lot about them, their dreams or their exploits.

They did achieve a high level of academic and personal life success, though.

Perhaps if you had achieved something in your life, you wouldn't have to
live through the life of your kid.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 9:19*am, JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:00:22 -0400, H K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. *It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. *Which one was
that?
Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. *You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. *Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.

According to the Repubs here, it just isn't *fair* to keep bringing up
Bush as if he were responsible for the messes Obama inherited.

I mean, just because Bush was the worst president in the history of this
country, and screwed up just about everything he touched, and did so
over eight years, he's been out of office for months now.

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.


the fact is bush had ample intelligence warnings that something was
coming. i don't blame bush for 9/11 but it's ridiculous to blame obama
for things that are plainly bush's fault

you need to learn some history...as in 12 months ago

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....
Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.

Just last month he said he was not going to go back and override the
reviews already done by the DOJ... It's pure politics and it will
backfire, trust me.


It's ALL politics, what else happens in Washington on BOTH sides of the
fence? Trouble is, it seems as though you don't mind if the
conservatives do it.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

JustWait wrote:
In article d15b11c3-d7af-4a0a-9336-
,
says...
On Sep 1, 9:34 am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."
Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".
Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk
spin, spin spin.....
Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??
Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Test... No, you are not blocked................yet;)

Yeah! This version works... I set up my filters to block not only WAFA,
but any replies to anything he posts. Just did a couple of tests and it
seems to be working, the last version let some through. I will keep you
posted, later. RMR.. Home of kiddie racing and all sorts of other
dreams...



I've got to get mine up and running, Tbird is okay, but not great!

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk

spin, spin spin.....
Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

Things change, people change their minds. It's the way things get ironed
out. In my line of work, I change typical details that I've used for
years because things change like design guidelines, etc.

Just last month he said he was not going to go back and override the
reviews already done by the DOJ... It's pure politics and it will
backfire, trust me.


It's ALL politics, what else happens in Washington on BOTH sides of the
fence? Trouble is, it seems as though you don't mind if the
conservatives do it.

Yeah, but this time, the American people are the bait...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--

uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class


Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.

Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 1:53*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--

uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class

Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

uh no. the subject was liars and who steals money. you think obama
does, while you grovel in poverty, courtesy of the GOP.

those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.

Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 1, 1:53 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 31, 5:02 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."
Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".
Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--
how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?
how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?
More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--
uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class
Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

uh no. the subject was liars and who steals money. you think obama
does, while you grovel in poverty, courtesy of the GOP.
those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.
Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...


Remember that herring is sucking on the government teat for his
retirement...he is not in the same loop as those who got screwed by wall
street.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 1, 1:53*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--

uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class

Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

uh no. the subject was liars and who steals money. you think obama
does, while you grovel in poverty, courtesy of the GOP.

those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.

Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...

Show me.

I had investments. Still do.

You blew it. You know it. Now stop your sniveling.

Arguing with a tumbleweed is fun. You never know which way it'll roll
next.
--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 5:06*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Sep 1, 1:53*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 1, 5:06*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Sep 1, 1:53*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.
--

uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class

Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

uh no. the subject was liars and who steals money. you think obama
does, while you grovel in poverty, courtesy of the GOP.

those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.

Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...

Show me.

I had investments. Still do.

IOW you don't follow the news. you're unaware of what's happened to
the middle class in the past year

Uh, uh, uh, I *am* middle class, and I *have* been around the past
year.

You blew it. You know it. Now stop your sniveling.]]]

uh no. your friends the rich folks blew it AND they took my money AND
they made me pay for it

My friends are all middle class or lower middle class also. If the
rich took your money, it's because you weren't attending to it. It's
actually kind of funny to read your 'anti-rich' rants.


guess what, douche bag, i AM paying attention. that's why it'll never
happen again since we have to tax the rich. that's 'paying attention'

It didn't take long to revert to name-calling, did it?

Arguing with a tumbleweed is fun. You never know which way it'll roll
next.

says the guy who thinks it's 1928.

--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...


A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:22:16 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...


A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

....and besides that, BO has saved over 4.5 million jobs in only nine
months.
--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 6:06*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...

Show me.

I had investments. Still do.

IOW you don't follow the news. you're unaware of what's happened to
the middle class in the past year

Uh, uh, uh, I *am* middle class, and I *have* been around the past
year.

IOW you're a sock puppet for right wing myths.




You blew it. You know it. Now stop your sniveling.]]]

uh no. your friends the rich folks blew it AND they took my money AND
they made me pay for it

My friends are all middle class or lower middle class also. If the
rich took your money, it's because you weren't attending to it. It's
actually kind of funny to read your 'anti-rich' rants.

uh..i AM paying attention. YOU are not. sorry. that's why i know what
the rich did.

you? you're still waiting for the tooth fairy
]



guess what, douche bag, i AM paying attention. that's why it'll never
happen again since we have to tax the rich. that's 'paying attention'

It didn't take long to revert to name-calling, did it?

says the sock puppet

Arguing with a tumbleweed is fun. You never know which way it'll roll
next.

says the guy who thinks it's 1928.

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 6:22*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait





wrote:
In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. *I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. *Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. *I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. *It's Obama's economy.

uh...,no. you can make up whatever rules you want. you can sit in
blissful denial pretending bush and his spending policies had nothing
to do with our state today. but try walking out a 10th story window.
your denial of the effects of gravity won't save you

I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. *Obama is responsible.

no, he's not. not unless you think a moving train can be stopped by
holding your hand out and saying 'whoa'

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 1, 6:06*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...

Show me.

I had investments. Still do.

IOW you don't follow the news. you're unaware of what's happened to
the middle class in the past year

Uh, uh, uh, I *am* middle class, and I *have* been around the past
year.

IOW you're a sock puppet for right wing myths.




You blew it. You know it. Now stop your sniveling.]]]

uh no. your friends the rich folks blew it AND they took my money AND
they made me pay for it

My friends are all middle class or lower middle class also. If the
rich took your money, it's because you weren't attending to it. It's
actually kind of funny to read your 'anti-rich' rants.

uh..i AM paying attention. YOU are not. sorry. that's why i know what
the rich did.

Paying attention now is like closing the barn door after the horses
are out. It's too late. You should have paid attention when 'the rich'
took all your money. What a jokester;.


you? you're still waiting for the tooth fairy
]



guess what, douche bag, i AM paying attention. that's why it'll never
happen again since we have to tax the rich. that's 'paying attention'

It didn't take long to revert to name-calling, did it?

says the sock puppet


LMAO!

More names.
--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 1, 6:22Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait





wrote:
In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a Â*better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. Â*I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Â*Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. Â*I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. Â*It's Obama's economy.

uh...,no. you can make up whatever rules you want. you can sit in
blissful denial pretending bush and his spending policies had nothing
to do with our state today. but try walking out a 10th story window.
your denial of the effects of gravity won't save you

I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Â*Obama is responsible.

no, he's not. not unless you think a moving train can be stopped by
holding your hand out and saying 'whoa'

See, I went through this with Eisboch, who somehow ended up putting
the economy on Bush's back, and now with you, from the other side of
the political spectrum.
Bush is gone.
Obama is POTUS.
I didn't say anything about the causes of the current economy.
I'm talking now. The past is gone.
Jesus, quit living in the past.
Past mistakes are only useful in dealing with the here and now.
If Obama has what it takes, he'll fix the economy.
Simple as that.

--Vic

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 7:38*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



uh..i AM paying attention. YOU are not. sorry. that's why i know what
the rich did.

Paying attention now is like closing the barn door after the horses
are out. It's too late. You should havid attention when 'the rich'
took all your money. What a jokester;.

ROFLMAO!! they've gamed the system. they took our pensions. they made
us pay for our retirement. i know you're not paying attention because
you deny this happened as well as denying its scope. you're in denial
like a good little sock puppet

you're not even paying attention enough to realize youre drowning...

Those pesky facts again about healthcare
 

On Sep 1, 7:45*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Sep 1, 6:22*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait

wrote:
In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. *I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. *Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. *I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. *It's Obama's economy.

uh...,no. you can make up whatever rules *you want. you can sit in
blissful denial pretending bush and his spending policies had nothing
to do with our state today. *but try walking out a 10th story window.
your denial of the effects of gravity won't save you

I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. *Obama is responsible.

no, he's not. not unless you think a moving train can be stopped by
holding your hand out and saying 'whoa'

See, I went through this with Eisboch, who somehow ended up putting
the economy on Bush's back, and now with you, from the other side of
the political spectrum.
Bush is gone.
Obama is POTUS.

and you deny a factor called 'time'. history happens in time. unless
you're at the event horizon of a black hole where time stops, then
REALITY happens in time

so there's your problem. you're unable to be realistic

I didn't say anything about the causes of the current economy.
I'm talking now. *The past is gone.

no, it's not. there's an idea called 'cause and effect'. bush caused
the problem. we're living with its effects

Jesus, quit living in the past.]

i live in reality. not sure about your planet


Past mistakes are only useful in dealing with the here and now.
If Obama has what it takes, he'll fix the economy.
Simple as that. *

he's no more responsible for the broken economy than the plumber is
responsible for the water flooding your kitchen from the broken pipe

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 1, 1:53*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 31, 5:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 3:33*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act.

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...


A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

I watched it too. Wasn't any Americans fault, it was the pig dog cowards
who flew the planes into the towers.

--
Wafa free since 2009

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On Sep 1, 3:35*pm, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 1, 1:53 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 5:02 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."
Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".
Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--
how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?
how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?
More 'Bush Rationale' which has nothing to do with the Obamacare Act..
--
uh...no. a comparison is being made between policies of the GOP which
benefit the top 1% and those of the democrats which benefit the middle
class
Uh, uh, uh, uh, the subject was healthcare. Obamacare, to be specific.

uh no. the subject was liars and who steals money. you think obama
does, while you grovel in poverty, courtesy of the GOP.
those who are sycophants of the rich hate the middle class and want
them to be held in poverty...think mexico.
Get over it. You should have paid attention to your assets. A fool and
his money are soon parted. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. By now
you should get it.
--

i did pay attention. me and a hundred million other hard working
middle class americans who thought the rich would, as they said they
would, provide a decent retirement income if we trusted them

you know...like you continue to say we should...

Remember that herring is sucking on the government teat for his
retirement...he is not in the same loop as those who got screwed by wall
street.

Herr Krause. You can refrain telling what you are still sucking on.

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On Sep 1, 6:00*am, H K wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. *It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. *Which one was
that?
Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. *You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. *Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.

According to the Repubs here, it just isn't *fair* to keep bringing up
Bush as if he were responsible for the messes Obama inherited.

I mean, just because Bush was the worst president in the history of this
country, and screwed up just about everything he touched, and did so
over eight years, he's been out of office for months now.

Relax Herr Krause. Your President Elect has been in office for months
now. In fact, he took eight months to double the debt the former
president compiled in eight years, and will probably double the
present debt within the next two years.

But that's alright, Herr Krause. It does seem fairly well known that
you can't see the forest for the trees.

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On Sep 2, 2:47*am, TopBassDog wrote:
On Sep 1, 6:00*am, H K wrote:





thunder wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating.. *It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. *Which one was
that?
Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. *You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. *Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.

According to the Repubs here, it just isn't *fair* to keep bringing up
Bush as if he were responsible for the messes Obama inherited.

I mean, just because Bush was the worst president in the history of this
country, and screwed up just about everything he touched, and did so
over eight years, he's been out of office for months now.

Relax Herr Krause. Your President Elect *has been in office for months
now. In fact, he took eight months to double the debt the former
president compiled in eight years, and will probably double the
present debt within the next two years.

which is what bush had planned anyhow. the TARP ideas were floated and
defined by bernanke under bush. and bush agreed

But that's alright, Herr Krause. *It does seem fairly well known that
you can't see the forest for the trees

you right wingers don't know history. even if it's yesterday's history

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?

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On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?

Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Who's going to influence today and forward?
GWB or BO?
Only one answer to that.
We get only one decider at a time.
Everybody knows that BO inherited a decrepit house.
Up to him to fix it up or let it deteriorate further.
That's all I'm saying.
A leader has to lead. Frankly, he's starting to disappoint me.
And I've got examples where he's already failed.
The health care fix isn't going well, and he hasn't come out and
appealed to employers and employees to accept pay reductions instead
of job terminations. For patriotic reasons.
That's what a leader does.
And it's doable with the bully pulpit, and he never let out a peep.
Some smart company leadership does that themselves, but others need
prodding. Didn't work with the union maintenance staff where my
brother works, because the union voted it down. So some got
terminated. What that leads to is unemployment draining the gov
coffers, and defaults on loans and mortgages, loss of health
insurance, etc.
Obama could have influenced them and many others who are now
unemployed.
He's done nothing that I've yet seen to reinvigorate manufacturing,
whose loss is at the root of our economic problems.
He's way too tied up with the Wall Street jokers who got us here.
His cabinet is rotten with that trash.
But he's got some time to get it right.
Up to him. GWB is gone. Believe it or not.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?

Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.

Cool! Guess that means I don't have to pay my car payment because I
didn't buy the car today?

Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a
bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance.