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On Aug 25, 8:11*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:11 am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:42:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Guzzistimo" wrote in message ... If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo....html?_r=1&th&.... -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous Perhaps it's to fix the mess that Bush neglected to fix? Right-wing nut = loves Taliban Here comes the Bush Rationale again. What 'mess' is Obama trying to fix? That's the original question? -- the mess that bush was unable to develop a strategy to build an effective security apparatus in afghanistan. And you believe that Obama is going to fix Afghanistan? Nobody has ever fixed Afghanistan.- sure they have. you're just too dumb to realize it. |
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Gene wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:06:24 -0400, Guzzistimo penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:31:29 -0400, Gene wrote: | |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote: | |If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's |Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? | |http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th | |I think we are there because of this: | |http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_339861.htm | |Ah, the Bush Rationale. | |After Inauguration Day, the Bush Rationale is no longer applicable. Bush got us in there. We're there. We could have just left (cut-and-run, some people would say) when Obama took office, but how smart would that be? You don't really have a point, do you? Yes, Gene, he does! Remember conservative = good, liberal = evil. That's the republican mantra!!! |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 8:12 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 9:53 pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - this is called 'surrender' or 'appeasement'...whichever you prefer. I thought it was following through on a campaign promise. Why are we still in Iraq? Didn't Obama say he was going to get us out of Iraq too? Why are we still in Iraq?- he did not say he was going to 'get us out of iraq'. he said he was going to get us out consistent with US policy objectives. and he is. US troops are no longer involved in combat operations. What are the US policy objectives in Iraq? you take pride in your ignorance or is it just a hobby? You are too much fun to play with. I guess you could call it a sport. |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:08 am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... What difference does either question make? Obama has had plenty of time to pull out of Afghanistan, and Iraq for that matter. Why are we still in Afghanistan. What does Obama hope to get out of our involvement there? -- disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important The Taliban never conducted state sponsored terrorism. The Taliban was used by OBL and AQ as a base of operations because Afghanistan is the anus of the Earth.- you say potatoes...i say po-tah-toes... blah blah blah You agree with me that the Taliban did not attach the USA. |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 8:15 am, BAR wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. Please explain why he should want to do that, given that the Taliban will come right back. The Taliban will always come back in some form or another. The Muslims do not look at their struggle as a one, two or ten year effort. It is a centuries effort. If it takes the Muslims 10 generations they will wait, if it takes 10 centuries they will wait. The Muslims are more patient than us.- first there's a difference between the 'taliban' and muslims. not all muslims are crazed psychopathic fanatics. Prove it. Islam is similar to communism in that it cannot be fully realized until all of the people of the Earth are subjugated to the rule of the collective. 2nd, there's no proof this is true. the 'muslims' have already started destroying the more fanatical elements in their midst, as recent events in the gaza strip, and in pakistan have shown. Ok, if that is what you want to believe. Sacrifice a few so that the rest can flourish. |
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On Aug 25, 2:32*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 8:12 am, BAR wrote: this is called 'surrender' or 'appeasement'...whichever you prefer. I thought it was following through on a campaign promise. Why are we still in Iraq? Didn't Obama say he was going to get us out of Iraq too? Why are we still in Iraq?- he did not say he was going to 'get us out of iraq'. he said he was going to get us out consistent with US policy objectives. and he is. US troops are no longer involved in combat operations. What are the US policy objectives in Iraq? you seem not to know. you keep posting ridiculous assertions (e.g. 'obama said he's going to get out of afghanistan') without any reference or context. it seems you have no idea what's going on and aren't interested in finding out. your primary goal seem to be immediate surrender and appeasement of the taliban. you take pride in your ignorance or is it just a hobby? You are too much fun to play with. I guess you could call it a sport.- chuckle watching you roll around in your ignorance is kind of like watching a 3 legged pig in a pen. the amusement value alone is worth it. |
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On Aug 25, 2:33*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: The Taliban never conducted state sponsored terrorism. The Taliban was used by OBL and AQ as a base of operations because Afghanistan is the anus of the Earth.- you say potatoes...i say po-tah-toes... blah blah blah You agree with me that the Taliban did not attach the USA.- who are the taliban? and, no, i don't agree. do you know what the 'USA' is? |
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) Please show me where Obama said he'd give you a free car and oil. Another right wing fallacy. Everything isn't a "right wing fallacy" just because you don't agree with it. See, that is the difference between the right and the left. I accept that you may have a different point of view. It doesn't mean your lying, it doesn't mean you are stupid, racist, or any of the other "left wing fallacies".. Just a different point of view... Either way, you should have figured out by now that I don't take much of this seriously here... I really don't have the time to argue and research all the crap that goes on. The kid is in the points race and working very hard. I am trying to keep up and get her and the machine where it needs to be... That is a full time job in itself... No but the lies the right has propagated lately are being gobbled up by the conservatives as truth no matter HOW outlandish they are. That's the whole point. And yet, you can't really point to any lies that are not considered truth by at least 80% of the people out there reading the bills and getting informed... Just because you call a "death panel" an "end of life panel" doesn't mean it's a lie.. It is what it is... Word games aside... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:19:32 -0400, BAR wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) I practically got a free car yesterday. I now have a brand new Nissan Versa and the $4,500 you all kicked in paid for nearly half of the vehicle. I stroked a check for the rest. Just doing my part to help the economy according to Congress and Obama's rules. Congratulations! Good to see you admit gov welfare is ok when it goes in your pocket. Honesty is a virtue. --Vic |
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says... On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:06:24 -0400, Guzzistimo penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:31:29 -0400, Gene wrote: | |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote: | |If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's |Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? | |http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th | |I think we are there because of this: | |http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_339861.htm | |Ah, the Bush Rationale. | |After Inauguration Day, the Bush Rationale is no longer applicable. Bush got us in there. We're there. We could have just left (cut-and-run, some people would say) when Obama took office, but how smart would that be? You don't really have a point, do you? But he indicated to his followers that he would get out... close Gitmo, have open meetings, reach over the isle... pffffttttt.. The fact is, he said he was gonna' do it. Half of the country admitted they knew he wouldn't, the rest just missed the boat... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:06:24 -0400, Guzzistimo penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:31:29 -0400, Gene wrote: | |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote: | |If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's |Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? | |http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th | |I think we are there because of this: | |http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_339861.htm | |Ah, the Bush Rationale. | |After Inauguration Day, the Bush Rationale is no longer applicable. Bush got us in there. We're there. We could have just left (cut-and-run, some people would say) when Obama took office, but how smart would that be? You don't really have a point, do you? But he indicated to his followers that he would get out... close Gitmo, have open meetings, reach over the isle... pffffttttt.. The fact is, he said he was gonna' do it. Half of the country admitted they knew he wouldn't, the rest just missed the boat... I didn't know his time was up. |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:16:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 24, 9:53Â*pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - this is called 'surrender' or 'appeasement'...whichever you prefer. Obama's got the Reps sucking up gov cash for clunkers welfare, supporting Medicare, and calling for an increase in SS payments. Might as well turn them into appeasers of Muslim terrorism too. --Vic |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) Please show me where Obama said he'd give you a free car and oil. Another right wing fallacy. Everything isn't a "right wing fallacy" just because you don't agree with it. See, that is the difference between the right and the left. I accept that you may have a different point of view. It doesn't mean your lying, it doesn't mean you are stupid, racist, or any of the other "left wing fallacies".. Just a different point of view... Either way, you should have figured out by now that I don't take much of this seriously here... I really don't have the time to argue and research all the crap that goes on. The kid is in the points race and working very hard. I am trying to keep up and get her and the machine where it needs to be... That is a full time job in itself... No but the lies the right has propagated lately are being gobbled up by the conservatives as truth no matter HOW outlandish they are. That's the whole point. And yet, you can't really point to any lies that are not considered truth by at least 80% of the people out there reading the bills and getting informed... Just because you call a "death panel" an "end of life panel" doesn't mean it's a lie.. It is what it is... Word games aside... Sure I can. You DO know that the U.S. government has promoted living wills for more than 20 years, don't you? Oh, forgot, that's a "death panel". Read carefully: http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...alth-bill.html Here's your hero lying to you, and then a clip of him endorsing living wills!!! http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2..._lies_on_h.php Political Debate - 5 Rightwing Lies About Healthcare Reform Back to Topics Page: 1 of 3 From: Zohan of Social Sciences (1 of 23) 8/16/2009 7:29:08 AM To: Top Five Health Care Reform Lies—and How to Fight Back Lie #1: President Obama wants to euthanize your grandma!!! The truth: These accusations—of "death panels" and forced euthanasia—are, of course, flatly untrue. As an article from the Associated Press puts it: "No 'death panel' in health care bill."4 What's the real deal? Reform legislation includes a provision, supported by the AARP, to offer senior citizens access to a professional medical counselor who will provide them with information on preparing a living will and other issues facing older Americans.5 Lie #2: Democrats are going to outlaw private insurance and force you into a government plan!!! The truth: With reform, choices will increase, not decrease. Obama's reform plans will create a health insurance exchange, a one-stop shopping marketplace for affordable, high-quality insurance options.6 Included in the exchange is the public health insurance option—a nationwide plan with a broad network of providers—that will operate alongside private insurance companies, injecting competition into the market to drive quality up and costs down.7 If you're happy with your coverage and doctors, you can keep them.8 But the new public plan will expand choices to millions of businesses or individuals who choose to opt into it, including many who simply can't afford health care now. Lie #3: President Obama wants to implement Soviet-style rationing!!! The truth: Health care reform will expand access to high-quality health insurance, and give individuals, families, and businesses more choices for coverage. Right now, big corporations decide whether to give you coverage, what doctors you get to see, and whether a particular procedure or medicine is covered—that is rationed care. And a big part of reform is to stop that. Health care reform will do away with some of the most nefarious aspects of this rationing: discrimination for pre-existing conditions, insurers that cancel coverage when you get sick, gender discrimination, and lifetime and yearly limits on coverage.9 And outside of that, as noted above, reform will increase insurance options, not force anyone into a rationed situation. Lie #4: Obama is secretly plotting to cut senior citizens' Medicare benefits!!! The truth: Health care reform plans will not reduce Medicare benefits.10 Reform includes savings from Medicare that are unrelated to patient care—in fact, the savings comes from cutting billions of dollars in overpayments to insurance companies and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse.11 Lie #5: Obama's health care plan will bankrupt America!!! The truth: We need health care reform now in order to prevent bankruptcy—to control spiraling costs that affect individuals, families, small businesses, and the American economy. Right now, we spend more than $2 trillion dollars a year on health care.12 The average family premium is projected to rise to over $22,000 in the next decade13—and each year, nearly a million people face bankruptcy because of medical expenses.14 Reform, with an affordable, high-quality public option that can spur competition, is necessary to bring down skyrocketing costs. Also, President Obama's reform plans would be fully paid for over 10 years and not add a penny to the deficit.15 Nope, no lies there..... |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) Please show me where Obama said he'd give you a free car and oil. Another right wing fallacy. Obama didn't say it.. It was a sarcastic remark based loosely on the rantings of some of the Obama supporters during the runup to the election... Geeze... Well, with some of the lies the conservatives have told lately, I just assumed that was another one that got believed. Yeah right.. only lies from the right. We are obviously out or Iraq, Gitmo is closed, we are out of Afghanistan, dems are reaching across the isle, there is no end of life panels, the check is in the mail, and I promise I will pull out... Pffffttttt... Um, Scotty, he's still on the job, and hasn't completed everything yet. |
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On Aug 25, 2:37*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: first there's a difference between the 'taliban' and muslims. not all muslims are crazed psychopathic fanatics. Prove it. Islam is similar to communism in that it cannot be fully realized until all of the people of the Earth are subjugated to the rule of the collective. ROFLMAO!! ever hear of indonesia? guess what one of the world's largest democracies is? guess which country just had a free and fair presidential election guess what the world's largest muslim country is... 2nd, there's no proof this is true. *the 'muslims' have already started destroying the more fanatical elements in their midst, as recent events in the gaza strip, and in pakistan have shown. Ok, if that is what you want to believe. Sacrifice a few so that the rest can flourish.- IOW muslims are killers until they're not. uh...OK... |
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:06:24 -0400, Guzzistimo penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:31:29 -0400, Gene wrote: | |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote: | |If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's |Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? | |http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th | |I think we are there because of this: | |http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_339861.htm | |Ah, the Bush Rationale. | |After Inauguration Day, the Bush Rationale is no longer applicable. Bush got us in there. We're there. We could have just left (cut-and-run, some people would say) when Obama took office, but how smart would that be? You don't really have a point, do you? But he indicated to his followers that he would get out... close Gitmo, have open meetings, reach over the isle... pffffttttt.. The fact is, he said he was gonna' do it. Half of the country admitted they knew he wouldn't, the rest just missed the boat... I didn't know his time was up. The first two (he would get out [Iraq and Afghanistan] and close Gitmo) were promised in the first hundred days, the second two [have open meetings, reach over the isle] were promised during his whole administration... His time was up on the first two a few months back, the second, when he started having secret meetings and censoring information about his Czars and nominees... Fact is, it was bull****, designed to get him elected. He never meant it, just said it... Hey, could JPS be Oba.... uh, forget it... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) Please show me where Obama said he'd give you a free car and oil. Another right wing fallacy. Obama didn't say it.. It was a sarcastic remark based loosely on the rantings of some of the Obama supporters during the runup to the election... Geeze... Well, with some of the lies the conservatives have told lately, I just assumed that was another one that got believed. Yeah right.. only lies from the right. We are obviously out or Iraq, Gitmo is closed, we are out of Afghanistan, dems are reaching across the isle, there is no end of life panels, the check is in the mail, and I promise I will pull out... Pffffttttt... Um, Scotty, he's still on the job, and hasn't completed everything yet. Gitmo and Iraq were promised in the first hundred days... It was a campaign promise never meant to be kept... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:27:20 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:06:24 -0400, Guzzistimo penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:31:29 -0400, Gene wrote: | |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote: | |If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's |Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? | |http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th | |I think we are there because of this: | |http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_339861.htm | |Ah, the Bush Rationale. | |After Inauguration Day, the Bush Rationale is no longer applicable. Bush got us in there. We're there. We could have just left (cut-and-run, some people would say) when Obama took office, but how smart would that be? You don't really have a point, do you? Why are we there? What is our objective? Who got us there is unimportant now. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:21:31 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Gene wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:06:24 -0400, Guzzistimo penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:31:29 -0400, Gene wrote: | |On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote: | |If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's |Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? | |http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th | |I think we are there because of this: | |http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_339861.htm | |Ah, the Bush Rationale. | |After Inauguration Day, the Bush Rationale is no longer applicable. Bush got us in there. We're there. We could have just left (cut-and-run, some people would say) when Obama took office, but how smart would that be? You don't really have a point, do you? Yes, Gene, he does! Remember conservative = good, liberal = evil. That's the republican mantra!!! Loogy, that's not even cute any more. Why are we in Afghanistan? If we're there simply because Bush got us there, then our reason for being there is pretty stupid. If there is another reason, what is it? -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:18:52 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 25, 7:08*am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03*pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... What difference does either question make? Obama has had plenty of time to pull out of Afghanistan, and Iraq for that matter. Why are we still in Afghanistan. What does Obama hope to get out of our involvement there? -- disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important What state sponsored terrorism did the Taliban conduct? They've not attacked us. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 25, 2:33*pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: The Taliban never conducted state sponsored terrorism. The Taliban was used by OBL and AQ as a base of operations because Afghanistan is the anus of the Earth.- you say potatoes...i say po-tah-toes... blah blah blah You agree with me that the Taliban did not attach the USA.- who are the taliban? and, no, i don't agree. do you know what the 'USA' is? Did you not say this? "disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important" Did you not know of whom you spoke? You don't know who the Taliban are, yet you say the reason we're in Afghanistan is to disrupt their activities. In another breath you call folks stupid. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:17:30 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 25, 7:09*am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:05:56 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message m... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. Please explain why he should want to do that, given that the Taliban will come right back. So we are in Afghanistan just to keep the Taliban from coming back from Pakistan? Why? What if they just decide to stay in Pakistan? -- do you read the news? apparently not. they're not staying in pakistan the pakistanis are attacking them there we are as well i would call you as dumb as a bag of hammers, but hammers actually have a use. You really believe the Pakistanis are doing damage to the Taliban? -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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On Aug 25, 4:04*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 2:33*pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: The Taliban never conducted state sponsored terrorism. The Taliban was used by OBL and AQ as a base of operations because Afghanistan is the anus of the Earth.- you say potatoes...i say po-tah-toes... blah blah blah You agree with me that the Taliban did not attach the USA.- who are the taliban? and, no, i don't agree. do you know what the 'USA' is? Did you not say this? "disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important" Did you not know of whom you spoke? You don't know who the Taliban are, yet you say the reason we're in Afghanistan is to disrupt their activities. In another breath you call folks stupid. i suggest you try following the thread instead pretending you understand it. your evaluation of your own reading skills is pathetic. |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Aug 25, 4:01*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:18:52 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:08*am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03*pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... What difference does either question make? Obama has had plenty of time to pull out of Afghanistan, and Iraq for that matter. Why are we still in Afghanistan. What does Obama hope to get out of our involvement there? -- disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important What state sponsored terrorism did the Taliban conduct? They've not attacked us. -- ever hear of 9/11? you guys keep saying the taliban is like the girl scouts. when i point out the date of 9/11 i never hear from you again. whatsamatter? dont remember that day? |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 25, 8:11*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:11 am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:42:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Guzzistimo" wrote in message ... If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo....html?_r=1&th&.... -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous Perhaps it's to fix the mess that Bush neglected to fix? Right-wing nut = loves Taliban Here comes the Bush Rationale again. What 'mess' is Obama trying to fix? That's the original question? -- the mess that bush was unable to develop a strategy to build an effective security apparatus in afghanistan. And you believe that Obama is going to fix Afghanistan? Nobody has ever fixed Afghanistan.- sure they have. you're just too dumb to realize it. And you call others dumb and stupid? -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:32:08 -0400, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 8:12 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 9:53 pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - this is called 'surrender' or 'appeasement'...whichever you prefer. I thought it was following through on a campaign promise. Why are we still in Iraq? Didn't Obama say he was going to get us out of Iraq too? Why are we still in Iraq?- he did not say he was going to 'get us out of iraq'. he said he was going to get us out consistent with US policy objectives. and he is. US troops are no longer involved in combat operations. What are the US policy objectives in Iraq? you take pride in your ignorance or is it just a hobby? You are too much fun to play with. I guess you could call it a sport. About as sporty as catching dog fish in Puget Sound. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:23:45 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:16:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 9:53*pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - this is called 'surrender' or 'appeasement'...whichever you prefer. Obama's got the Reps sucking up gov cash for clunkers welfare, supporting Medicare, and calling for an increase in SS payments. Might as well turn them into appeasers of Muslim terrorism too. --Vic So staying in Afghanistan is for what purpose? Do we stay there simply so we don't 'appease' Muslims by getting out? -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:19:32 -0400, BAR wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) I practically got a free car yesterday. I now have a brand new Nissan Versa and the $4,500 you all kicked in paid for nearly half of the vehicle. I stroked a check for the rest. Just doing my part to help the economy according to Congress and Obama's rules. You're a sweetheart, Bert. Thanks ever so much for your efforts. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:57:45 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:19:32 -0400, BAR wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) I practically got a free car yesterday. I now have a brand new Nissan Versa and the $4,500 you all kicked in paid for nearly half of the vehicle. I stroked a check for the rest. Just doing my part to help the economy according to Congress and Obama's rules. Congratulations! Good to see you admit gov welfare is ok when it goes in your pocket. Honesty is a virtue. --Vic Whooooosh. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:27:53 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates. You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh my, hope I still get my free car and oil;) Please show me where Obama said he'd give you a free car and oil. Another right wing fallacy. Everything isn't a "right wing fallacy" just because you don't agree with it. See, that is the difference between the right and the left. I accept that you may have a different point of view. It doesn't mean your lying, it doesn't mean you are stupid, racist, or any of the other "left wing fallacies".. Just a different point of view... Either way, you should have figured out by now that I don't take much of this seriously here... I really don't have the time to argue and research all the crap that goes on. The kid is in the points race and working very hard. I am trying to keep up and get her and the machine where it needs to be... That is a full time job in itself... No but the lies the right has propagated lately are being gobbled up by the conservatives as truth no matter HOW outlandish they are. That's the whole point. And yet, you can't really point to any lies that are not considered truth by at least 80% of the people out there reading the bills and getting informed... Just because you call a "death panel" an "end of life panel" doesn't mean it's a lie.. It is what it is... Word games aside... Sure I can. You DO know that the U.S. government has promoted living wills for more than 20 years, don't you? Oh, forgot, that's a "death panel". Read carefully: http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...alth-bill.html Here's your hero lying to you, and then a clip of him endorsing living wills!!! http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2..._lies_on_h.php Political Debate - 5 Rightwing Lies About Healthcare Reform Back to Topics Page: 1 of 3 From: Zohan of Social Sciences (1 of 23) 8/16/2009 7:29:08 AM To: Top Five Health Care Reform Lies—and How to Fight Back Lie #1: President Obama wants to euthanize your grandma!!! The truth: These accusations—of "death panels" and forced euthanasia—are, of course, flatly untrue. As an article from the Associated Press puts it: "No 'death panel' in health care bill."4 What's the real deal? Reform legislation includes a provision, supported by the AARP, to offer senior citizens access to a professional medical counselor who will provide them with information on preparing a living will and other issues facing older Americans.5 Lie #2: Democrats are going to outlaw private insurance and force you into a government plan!!! The truth: With reform, choices will increase, not decrease. Obama's reform plans will create a health insurance exchange, a one-stop shopping marketplace for affordable, high-quality insurance options.6 Included in the exchange is the public health insurance option—a nationwide plan with a broad network of providers—that will operate alongside private insurance companies, injecting competition into the market to drive quality up and costs down.7 If you're happy with your coverage and doctors, you can keep them.8 But the new public plan will expand choices to millions of businesses or individuals who choose to opt into it, including many who simply can't afford health care now. Lie #3: President Obama wants to implement Soviet-style rationing!!! The truth: Health care reform will expand access to high-quality health insurance, and give individuals, families, and businesses more choices for coverage. Right now, big corporations decide whether to give you coverage, what doctors you get to see, and whether a particular procedure or medicine is covered—that is rationed care. And a big part of reform is to stop that. Health care reform will do away with some of the most nefarious aspects of this rationing: discrimination for pre-existing conditions, insurers that cancel coverage when you get sick, gender discrimination, and lifetime and yearly limits on coverage.9 And outside of that, as noted above, reform will increase insurance options, not force anyone into a rationed situation. Lie #4: Obama is secretly plotting to cut senior citizens' Medicare benefits!!! The truth: Health care reform plans will not reduce Medicare benefits.10 Reform includes savings from Medicare that are unrelated to patient care—in fact, the savings comes from cutting billions of dollars in overpayments to insurance companies and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse.11 Lie #5: Obama's health care plan will bankrupt America!!! The truth: We need health care reform now in order to prevent bankruptcy—to control spiraling costs that affect individuals, families, small businesses, and the American economy. Right now, we spend more than $2 trillion dollars a year on health care.12 The average family premium is projected to rise to over $22,000 in the next decade13—and each year, nearly a million people face bankruptcy because of medical expenses.14 Reform, with an affordable, high-quality public option that can spur competition, is necessary to bring down skyrocketing costs. Also, President Obama's reform plans would be fully paid for over 10 years and not add a penny to the deficit.15 Nope, no lies there..... I think you should believe all those 'truths'. They sound pretty good to me. Is Obama really going to pay off our mortgages? Seems like I saw someone say that on YouTube also. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
What the hell are we doing here...
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What the hell are we doing here...
On Aug 25, 4:07*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 8:11*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:11 am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:42:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Guzzistimo" wrote in message ... If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo....html?_r=1&th&.... -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous Perhaps it's to fix the mess that Bush neglected to fix? Right-wing nut = loves Taliban Here comes the Bush Rationale again. What 'mess' is Obama trying to fix? That's the original question? -- the mess that bush was unable to develop a strategy to build an effective security apparatus in afghanistan. And you believe that Obama is going to fix Afghanistan? Nobody has ever fixed Afghanistan.- sure they have. you're just too dumb to realize it. And you call others dumb and stupid? -- no...no. you'll suffice. i believe you exceed all others. |
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What the hell are we doing here...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 4:07 pm, Mille GT Owner wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 8:11 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:11 am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:42:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Guzzistimo" wrote in message ... If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/wo....html?_r=1&th&.... -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous Perhaps it's to fix the mess that Bush neglected to fix? Right-wing nut = loves Taliban Here comes the Bush Rationale again. What 'mess' is Obama trying to fix? That's the original question? -- the mess that bush was unable to develop a strategy to build an effective security apparatus in afghanistan. And you believe that Obama is going to fix Afghanistan? Nobody has ever fixed Afghanistan.- sure they have. you're just too dumb to realize it. And you call others dumb and stupid? -- no...no. you'll suffice. i believe you exceed all others. I can't decide who is the dumbest poster he Loogy JustWait Herring Lu-ser So many choices. |
What the hell are we doing here...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:16:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 9:53 pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it takes is an order to Sec Def Gates.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - this is called 'surrender' or 'appeasement'...whichever you prefer. Obama's got the Reps sucking up gov cash for clunkers welfare, supporting Medicare, and calling for an increase in SS payments. Might as well turn them into appeasers of Muslim terrorism too. --Vic Good gawd this place has gone ****ing LUNATIC. Now liberals are "appeasers of Muslim terrorism". |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:12:03 -0400, Mille GT Owner
wrote: Obama's got the Reps sucking up gov cash for clunkers welfare, supporting Medicare, and calling for an increase in SS payments. Might as well turn them into appeasers of Muslim terrorism too. --Vic So staying in Afghanistan is for what purpose? Do we stay there simply so we don't 'appease' Muslims by getting out? Supposedly to put the nail in the coffin of Al Qaeda, and make sure they don't come back. Nation building started by the Bush crew, and now supported by Dem and Rep alike. They've all fallen into the "protect the women" and "one-person-one-vote" bandwagon too. Personally, I would get out and let the savages find their own path to Allah. If they give us trouble later, nuke 'em. But I'm not a Dem or Rep. --Vic |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:13:54 -0400, Mille GT Owner
wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:57:45 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:19:32 -0400, BAR wrote: I practically got a free car yesterday. I now have a brand new Nissan Versa and the $4,500 you all kicked in paid for nearly half of the vehicle. I stroked a check for the rest. Just doing my part to help the economy according to Congress and Obama's rules. Congratulations! Good to see you admit gov welfare is ok when it goes in your pocket. Honesty is a virtue. --Vic Whooooosh. Sucking on the gov teat when it's offered gets the same taxpayer milk as when you demand it. And it's good to be honest about it. Of course if you want to take the side that you just did it help the economy, that works too. That's the Obama side. Your choice. --Vic |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:06:43 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 25, 4:01*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:18:52 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 7:08*am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 24, 8:03*pm, Guzzistimo wrote: If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin? hey idiot... you guys are amazing. uh...questions for you: 1. when did US troops enter afghanistan? 2. how long has obama been president take your head out of your diaper... What difference does either question make? Obama has had plenty of time to pull out of Afghanistan, and Iraq for that matter. Why are we still in Afghanistan. What does Obama hope to get out of our involvement there? -- disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important What state sponsored terrorism did the Taliban conduct? They've not attacked us. -- ever hear of 9/11? you guys keep saying the taliban is like the girl scouts. when i point out the date of 9/11 i never hear from you again. whatsamatter? dont remember that day? The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11. A while back, the liberals were blaming Saudia Arabia and Bush for 9/11. Now you're using it as a rationale for staying in Afghanistan. Y'all need to make up your minds. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
What the hell are we doing here...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 25, 4:04*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 25, 2:33*pm, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: The Taliban never conducted state sponsored terrorism. The Taliban was used by OBL and AQ as a base of operations because Afghanistan is the anus of the Earth.- you say potatoes...i say po-tah-toes... blah blah blah You agree with me that the Taliban did not attach the USA.- who are the taliban? and, no, i don't agree. do you know what the 'USA' is? Did you not say this? "disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important" Did you not know of whom you spoke? You don't know who the Taliban are, yet you say the reason we're in Afghanistan is to disrupt their activities. In another breath you call folks stupid. i suggest you try following the thread instead pretending you understand it. your evaluation of your own reading skills is pathetic. You bypassed that one, didn't you? Did you not say this? "disrupting the ability of the taliban to conduct state sponsored terrorism. i realize that, to you folks in the 'neville chamberlain fan club', that's a horrible thought. but to those of us who were in NY after 9/11, it's kind of important" Did you not know of whom you spoke? You don't know who the Taliban are, yet you say the reason we're in Afghanistan is to disrupt their activities. In another breath you call folks stupid. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous |
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