thunder wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:18:54 -0400, JustWait wrote:

Democracy?? Hummm. Don't want to insult you but we are not a
"Democracy"... We are a Democratic Republic...

Democracy comes in many forms, a democratic republic being one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy


You'd have to have read up on that or heard it in a civics class...

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:18:54 -0400, JustWait wrote:

Democracy?? Hummm. Don't want to insult you but we are not a
"Democracy"... We are a Democratic Republic...

Democracy comes in many forms, a democratic republic being one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

The U. S. Constitution does not mention a democratic form of government. It
does guarantee a republican form for all the states. Quoting from Article
IV:

"Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against
Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when
the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. "

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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BY CHARLEY REESE

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then
campaign against them.

One of the essential traights of a politician is hypocracy. Do as I ask not
as I do mentality. Not very nice poeple and usually have sociaopath
disorders so they can lie better to the gullable public.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the
politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and
high taxes?

It allows the government to corruption spend beyond its means. Not really
much different than a middle class household spending well beyond their
means for too long. Eventually, bankruptcy ensues.

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I
don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The
House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code.
Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy.

The people do set fiscal policy by proxy. The same a$$h0les we voted for,
it is also why people need to learn to change their votes when you get a do
as I ask and not as I do types. Obama for example, promises a balanced
budget yet just racked up more commited debt increase than any other human
has ever done before.

Makes Obama the king of debt.

Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal
Reserve Bank does.

Congress has been lib-dim-debt spenders for too long to care. Give the
president what he wants, more debt-spend.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme
Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly,
legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems
that plague this country.

They don't give a deads rats sorry ass about America. They worry about
where the next pork spend, the back room deal or the vacation money is
coming from. 9/10 of them are this way. Until people routinely turf and
recall the corrupt politicians, it will not change.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem
was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered
but private central bank.

I wouldn't. The central bank, by its very definition is a ponzi scheme, the
biggest one going. The only difference between the central banks and Madoff
is who they ****ed off.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason They
have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a
congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing.

The lobby business needs to be shut down, it is too corruptive. It's main
objective is to corrupt the process with money. Pure and simple.

I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The
politician has the power to accept or reject it.

Few are morally responsible enough to decline. In fact, it attracts the
unscrupulious just for this very reason.

[ snip ]

There is a solution, but it will require people get mad enough to make it
happen. That is replace congressional voting by direct voting by the
people. The huge real reason goverment deliberally screws up electronic
voting is they know it is harder to corrupt 200 million regular people
electronic voting than just 2 party leaders. So they make electronic voting
fail to prevent an evolution of democracy of direct voting by the people for
the people.

Say I have an elitist club of 20 people, each has a net worth of $40 billion
or more. I don't mean filthy rich, I mean the elite rich of filthy rich.
They basically buy the Dim and GOP so does not mater which one gets elected,
their pocket boy wins. Pretty obvious Obama has friends in Carlyle,
Cerberus and banks getting bailouts.

But if we the people could vote electronically, posting our votes
concurently to 7 sites of arms length, the possibility of corruption of the
process becomes much more difficult. Let the congress people sell to the
public and let the public vote. There is no reason for the people nt to
directly participate, one internet click away from voting directly.

But it will not happen, our hidden masters will use the tax system to
enslave for their gain. There are quite litterally trillions of dollars out
there to make sure it will not happen.

We hare no longer heard, we are a managed herd. So saieth the governments.

On Aug 22, 9:32*pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:


Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.


and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:32 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.


and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up

Got to admit, that "death panel" crap is so absurd I just can't imagine
an adult believing it.

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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:32 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.


and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up

Got to admit, that "death panel" crap is so absurd I just can't imagine
an adult believing it.

Yeah, as I saw Obama in his own words last week.. It's an "end of life"
panel.. I have to admit that this "it's not a panel and panel does not
exist in the bill" crap is so absurd I can't imagine an adult believing
it... Call it what you want, it's a panel and if corp govt run it as
proposed it will indeed be an "end of life" (er, uh, death..) panel in
the end just like Planned Parenthood.. One solution fits all.

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:32 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.

and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up
Got to admit, that "death panel" crap is so absurd I just can't imagine
an adult believing it.

Yeah, as I saw Obama in his own words last week.. It's an "end of life"
panel.. I have to admit that this "it's not a panel and panel does not
exist in the bill" crap is so absurd I can't imagine an adult believing
it... Call it what you want, it's a panel and if corp govt run it as
proposed it will indeed be an "end of life" (er, uh, death..) panel in
the end just like Planned Parenthood.. One solution fits all.

How do you know this? You've become unhinged. You are completely wrong
(well not wrong, because you've been told that Obama just wants to kill
your elders) and loose with the guts of the bill that there's absolutely
no way someone can talk to you about it unless it's another conservative
chiming in telling everyone how Obama wants to kill your elders. Again,
all the bill says about this is that they want to make sure everyone
facing death has their affairs in order. And again I ask, what is so bad
about that?

On Aug 24, 2:15*pm, JustWait wrote:
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:32 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.

and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up

Got to admit, that "death panel" crap is so absurd I just can't imagine
an adult believing it.

Yeah, as I saw Obama in his own words last week.. It's an "end of life"
panel.. I have to admit that this "it's not a panel and panel does not
exist in the bill" crap is so absurd I can't imagine an adult believing
it... Call it what you want, it's a panel and if corp govt run it as
proposed it will indeed be an "end of life" (er, uh, death..) panel in
the end just like Planned Parenthood.. One solution fits all.

--

the moron obviously has never worked with the dying. he thinks if he
drinks enough beer and smokes enough cigarettes he'll live forever.

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:32 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.


and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up

If there were no death panels why did they take them out?

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says...

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:32 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and
clean up their mess.


and who elects these people?

people who believe, via rush limbaugh and the insurance industry, that
obama's health insurance policy has 'death panels'.

that's why those folks are ****ed up

If there were no death panels why did they take them out?

So they could add them back later in committee...

--
Wafa free since 2009