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On Aug 21, 7:05*am, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:37:33 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:
Try reading.

http://online.wsj.com/article/

SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html



Then come back and argue against his points.

"Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of
foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent
and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are
expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives
until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age."

IOW buy my products, continue to make me rich and everything's gonna
be OK...



Yeah, right. *We don't need any health care reform. *Hell, we don't even
need any health care. *Just buy all your food from John Mackey, and
you'll live disease free past 100. *His eight reforms, might help to
alleviate some of the spiraling costs, but they are a little short on
addressing the issues at hand. *We are way beyond cost cutting measures
alone.


yep. he's got his fantasies and 'guzz' thinks we should just believe
'em and shut up. no reform needed.

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:05:12 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:37:33 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:


Try reading.

http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.htm l

Then come back and argue against his points.

"Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of
foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent
and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are
expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives
until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age."

Yeah, right. We don't need any health care reform. Hell, we don't even
need any health care. Just buy all your food from John Mackey, and
you'll live disease free past 100. His eight reforms, might help to
alleviate some of the spiraling costs, but they are a little short on
addressing the issues at hand. We are way beyond cost cutting measures
alone.

Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 21, 6:37*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:30:08 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 11:45*pm, "SteveB" wrote:

Well, if this thing is approved, let's just keep count of how many five way
bypasses and aortic valve replacements there are. *Nothing like reality to
keep things straight. *My heart surgery was near $200k. *I doubt that would
have been covered under Obama.

and if you lost your job and had no health insurance

would it have been covered then?

Try reading.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434217007286...

Then come back and argue against his points.

You'd rather whine.
--


try getting health insurance without a job. then come back and whine
that the rich are being treated unfairly.

Against which of his points are you arguing?

Or, are you just whining again. Holy ****, don't you get tired of
listening to yourself?
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 21, 7:05*am, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:37:33 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:
Try reading.

http://online.wsj.com/article/

SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html



Then come back and argue against his points.

"Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of
foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent
and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are
expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives
until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age."

IOW buy my products, continue to make me rich and everything's gonna
be OK...



Yeah, right. *We don't need any health care reform. *Hell, we don't even
need any health care. *Just buy all your food from John Mackey, and
you'll live disease free past 100. *His eight reforms, might help to
alleviate some of the spiraling costs, but they are a little short on
addressing the issues at hand. *We are way beyond cost cutting measures
alone.


yep. he's got his fantasies and 'guzz' thinks we should just believe
'em and shut up. no reform needed.

He's not the only one selling plant-based, nutrient dense, low-fat
foods. Every grocery store sells them. Of course, in a socialist
state, that stuff would be hard to find.

I visited East Berlin before the walls came down. I watched people
lined up to buy a loaf of bread, or a couple of potatoes. I went into
the stores which had fancy optics and cameras in the windows, only to
see empty shelves on the inside.

There were two classes, the rulers and everyone else. You'd love it.
No middle class to whine about. Everyone in the same boat, unless you
were a ruler, of course.

Shove your socialism up your ass, along with your friggin' whining.
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
SteveB wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
SteveB wrote:
Gotta love it.

Obama says prostate cancer can be diagnosed by more colonoscopies.
NOT.

Obama says that instead of giving a 100 year old active person a
pacemaker, they should give her a pain pill. (Psssssssst. Pain pills
don't work on irregular heartbeats.)

He sez we need to do a breathalyzer on a child asthma patient.

Lots more, but I'm busy right now.

Steve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALCdJ5QuXs

Make fun of a small inconsistency if you must. Both are easily treated
if caught early by a relatively simple test.

I agree with the sentiment. The guy with the ketch next door just had
colorectal cancer surgery. He was one of those who wouldn't get a
colonoscopy.

We have several self employed dock walker types around here who aren't
going to get tested because they have no insurance. And we will pay if
and when they get sick.

To his critics, Obama must say everything perfectly and in the proper
order. They probably weren't critical of Bush's mangling of his
speeches.
Bush was actually worse than Obama in many speeches.

Steve
Not to mention lying in almost everyone of them, and starting a war on
false pretenses and not having a plan to pay for it.
C'mon, man. You're like a hippie stuck in the sixties. Or, do you want to
go back and talk about Eisenhower and Nixon? I mean, they're relative to
today's situation, but speed up a little and come into the present tense.

Hmmmmmm. Starting a war and not having a plan to pay for it ..............
Sounds like starting a Utopian nation and not having a plan to pay for it.

Both ideas are ludicrous.

Steve

Yeah, when I asked yesterday to see violent opposition to Health Care
where folks are driving speakers off the stage and down the street like
the protests against republicans and the minutemen in the last few
years.. I got back a couple links from my bud Loogie, one of them going
back to the Nixon Administration... Guess Grandma really didn't bring a
nazi sign or brandish a weapon or force any speakers to leave the
building without having a say.. It just blows me away how ****ed off the
left is about folks speaking their minds, but never said anything about
the violent protests I noted before. The other thing that gets me is
their opposition is so vapid, they can't even accept that someone else
can honestly have a different point of view... The consider anybody who
has a different point of view, to be a lesser human intelligence..
Reminds me a lot of the KKK clowns I met in 'Bama... You were either
with them, or inferior...


Pssst, Scotty, YOU were the one who suddenly put in the qualifier of
"violence". So I guess to you, anything anybody does at a town hall
meeting, as long as it doesn't include physical violence is okay? You
really think that it's civil and mannerly to take AK's to a town hall
event where the president is? Hell, even gas bags like Hannity and Rush
are saying that was wrong.

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
SteveB wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
SteveB wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
SteveB wrote:
Gotta love it.

Obama says prostate cancer can be diagnosed by more colonoscopies.
NOT.

Obama says that instead of giving a 100 year old active person a
pacemaker, they should give her a pain pill. (Psssssssst. Pain pills
don't work on irregular heartbeats.)

He sez we need to do a breathalyzer on a child asthma patient.

Lots more, but I'm busy right now.

Steve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALCdJ5QuXs

Make fun of a small inconsistency if you must. Both are easily treated
if caught early by a relatively simple test.

I agree with the sentiment. The guy with the ketch next door just had
colorectal cancer surgery. He was one of those who wouldn't get a
colonoscopy.

We have several self employed dock walker types around here who aren't
going to get tested because they have no insurance. And we will pay if
and when they get sick.

To his critics, Obama must say everything perfectly and in the proper
order. They probably weren't critical of Bush's mangling of his
speeches.
Bush was actually worse than Obama in many speeches.

Steve
Not to mention lying in almost everyone of them, and starting a war on
false pretenses and not having a plan to pay for it.
C'mon, man. You're like a hippie stuck in the sixties. Or, do you want to
go back and talk about Eisenhower and Nixon? I mean, they're relative to
today's situation, but speed up a little and come into the present tense.

Hmmmmmm. Starting a war and not having a plan to pay for it ..............
Sounds like starting a Utopian nation and not having a plan to pay for it.

Both ideas are ludicrous.

Steve


One of the arguments is "How is Obama going to pay for health care?"
But the same people never seem to care that the Iraq war was not paid for.

Well, it was paid for, as much as the Government pays for anything..
What threw it off was the 4 dollar gas and forced low score/no score
home loans... Several "folks" tried to head off both issues, but were
filibustered at every turn...

What???? Are you saying that if gas didn't go to four bucks a gallon
that the cost of the Iraq war would have somehow disappeared???

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"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 7:05 am, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:37:33 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:
Try reading.

http://online.wsj.com/article/

SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html



Then come back and argue against his points.

"Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of
foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent
and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are
expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives
until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age."

IOW buy my products, continue to make me rich and everything's gonna
be OK...



Yeah, right. We don't need any health care reform. Hell, we don't even
need any health care. Just buy all your food from John Mackey, and
you'll live disease free past 100. His eight reforms, might help to
alleviate some of the spiraling costs, but they are a little short on
addressing the issues at hand. We are way beyond cost cutting measures
alone.


yep. he's got his fantasies and 'guzz' thinks we should just believe
'em and shut up. no reform needed.

---------------------------------

Having made a nice fortune, he now gets paid $1.00 a year, and distributes
earnings from stock options to needy causes. What do you loony lefties
contribute of your own money?

Ten per cent of my meager earnings goes to charity.

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:07:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:


Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.

His ideas? Those ideas have been around for years.

• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing
across state lines.
I believe John McCain was running on this last election. If you remember
banks were under the same restrictions until relatively recently. How
did that work out? More competition or less? Around here, the local
community banks were gobbled up, and we were left with a few "too big to
fail" types.

• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must
cover. Translation, give me your money, we ain't covering squat.

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay
insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Canard,
malpractice settlements add less that 1% to the cost of health care.


• Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and
individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. A better
question, why the corporate welfare in the first place?

• Enact Medicare reform. Gee, that's helpful. How? Look at the vitriol
about health care reform, something everyone knows is needed. Now this
guy wants to **** off all the seniors? Yeah, that will work.

• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a
voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who
have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State
Children's Health Insurance Program. Tinkle down, I mean trickle down at
it's finest. We were talking health care reform. This guy is out to
lunch. Obviously, too much tofu.

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thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:07:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:


Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.

His ideas? Those ideas have been around for years.

• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing
across state lines.
I believe John McCain was running on this last election. If you remember
banks were under the same restrictions until relatively recently. How
did that work out? More competition or less? Around here, the local
community banks were gobbled up, and we were left with a few "too big to
fail" types.

• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must
cover. Translation, give me your money, we ain't covering squat.

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay
insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Canard,
malpractice settlements add less that 1% to the cost of health care.


• Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and
individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. A better
question, why the corporate welfare in the first place?

• Enact Medicare reform. Gee, that's helpful. How? Look at the vitriol
about health care reform, something everyone knows is needed. Now this
guy wants to **** off all the seniors? Yeah, that will work.

• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a
voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who
have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State
Children's Health Insurance Program. Tinkle down, I mean trickle down at
it's finest. We were talking health care reform. This guy is out to
lunch. Obviously, too much tofu.




Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:07:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:


Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.

His ideas? Those ideas have been around for years.

• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing
across state lines.
I believe John McCain was running on this last election. If you remember
banks were under the same restrictions until relatively recently. How
did that work out? More competition or less? Around here, the local
community banks were gobbled up, and we were left with a few "too big to
fail" types.

• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must
cover. Translation, give me your money, we ain't covering squat.

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay
insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Canard,
malpractice settlements add less that 1% to the cost of health care.


• Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and
individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. A better
question, why the corporate welfare in the first place?

• Enact Medicare reform. Gee, that's helpful. How? Look at the vitriol
about health care reform, something everyone knows is needed. Now this
guy wants to **** off all the seniors? Yeah, that will work.

• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a
voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who
have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State
Children's Health Insurance Program. Tinkle down, I mean trickle down at
it's finest. We were talking health care reform. This guy is out to
lunch. Obviously, too much tofu.



And your proposal that would resolve the problems and make everyone whole
and happy is?

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:55 -0400, H the K wrote:


Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.

I don't get it. Health care is approaching 20% GDP. It's
unsustainable. And what has the Party of No suggested? Nothing.

I may be wrong here, but if I were Obama, I'd be marshaling my party, and
passing health care reform without the Republicans. They don't want to
play, let them wither on the vine.

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:44:05 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


And your proposal that would resolve the problems and make everyone
whole and happy is?

When I become President, I'll let you know.

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thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:55 -0400, H the K wrote:


Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.

I don't get it. Health care is approaching 20% GDP. It's
unsustainable. And what has the Party of No suggested? Nothing.

I may be wrong here, but if I were Obama, I'd be marshaling my party, and
passing health care reform without the Republicans. They don't want to
play, let them wither on the vine.


I agree. Foch the GOP.

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:44:05 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


And your proposal that would resolve the problems and make everyone
whole and happy is?

When I become President, I'll let you know.

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...cle-outset-box

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Lu Powell wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:44:05 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


And your proposal that would resolve the problems and make everyone
whole and happy is?

When I become President, I'll let you know.

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...cle-outset-box



Not worth considering. It's from the FauxNews WSJ, it's political, and
therefore it is the usual right-wing horse****.

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth
considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052970204884404574362971349563340.html#m od=article-outset-box

Except, I don't believe we can allow this health care system to continue
much longer. It's approaching 20%GDP now, and in 2050 is expected to
reach 33% GDP. If Obama fails this time around, it's unlikely that he
will make another attempt. This problem has been building for several
decades, I think, this is our best shot at it.

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Lu Powell wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:07:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:


Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.

His ideas? Those ideas have been around for years.

• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing
across state lines.
I believe John McCain was running on this last election. If you remember
banks were under the same restrictions until relatively recently. How
did that work out? More competition or less? Around here, the local
community banks were gobbled up, and we were left with a few "too big to
fail" types.

• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must
cover. Translation, give me your money, we ain't covering squat.

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay
insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Canard,
malpractice settlements add less that 1% to the cost of health care.


• Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and
individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. A better
question, why the corporate welfare in the first place?

• Enact Medicare reform. Gee, that's helpful. How? Look at the vitriol
about health care reform, something everyone knows is needed. Now this
guy wants to **** off all the seniors? Yeah, that will work.

• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a
voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who
have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State
Children's Health Insurance Program. Tinkle down, I mean trickle down at
it's finest. We were talking health care reform. This guy is out to
lunch. Obviously, too much tofu.



And your proposal that would resolve the problems and make everyone
whole and happy is?


Go to a boating newsgroup and post daily crap about how anything and
everything conservative is good and anything and everything liberal is
bad????

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thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:55 -0400, H the K wrote:


Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.

I don't get it. Health care is approaching 20% GDP. It's
unsustainable. And what has the Party of No suggested? Nothing.

I may be wrong here, but if I were Obama, I'd be marshaling my party, and
passing health care reform without the Republicans. They don't want to
play, let them wither on the vine.

I agree!

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth
considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052970204884404574362971349563340.html#m od=article-outset-box

Except, I don't believe we can allow this health care system to continue
much longer. It's approaching 20%GDP now, and in 2050 is expected to
reach 33% GDP. If Obama fails this time around, it's unlikely that he
will make another attempt. This problem has been building for several
decades, I think, this is our best shot at it.

You are probably right. I simply have a problem with folks who go for a
government solution without considering measures that do not involve
unimaginable public debt and increased taxes forever. The Swiss have an
effective program that doesn't involve public funds at all, except to
regulate. A number of other options are not being considered because the
power-hungry Congress and Dims generally have their minds set in concrete.
Opposition is met with derision, rather than seeking common ground.

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On Aug 21, 9:15*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


yep. he's got *his fantasies and 'guzz' thinks we should just believe
'em and shut up. no reform needed.

He's not the only one selling plant-based, nutrient dense, low-fat
foods. Every grocery store sells them. Of course, in a socialist
state, that stuff would be hard to find.\

except, of course, in your fairy tale world, 'tree huggers' are all
socialists...


I visited East Berlin before the walls came down. I watched people
lined up to buy a loaf of bread, or a couple of potatoes. I went into
the stores which had fancy optics and cameras in the windows, only to
see empty shelves on the inside.

no one here is a socialist, sport. but, unfortunately, some delusional
folks like you are radical right wing extremists


There were two classes, the rulers and everyone else.

just like the state that the GOP envisions...

Shove your socialism up your ass, along with your friggin' whining.
--


he whined.

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On Aug 21, 9:07*am, Guzzistimo wrote:


Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.
--

his health policy consists of buying his products.

sorry, sport, that's not a policy, it's an advertisement. i know to
you right wingers, god only makes people get sick if they deserve it

but even right wingers get sick

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On Aug 21, 10:34Â*am, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:07:19 -0400, Guzzistimo wrote:
Can't refute his ideas, huh? Like the rest of the liberals, attack
something else.


• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must
cover. Â* Translation, give me your money, we ain't covering squat.

he doesn't realize that ALOT of folks working for insurance companies
have the job of denying claims

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay
insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Canard,
malpractice settlements add less that 1% to the cost of health care. Â*

absolutely. texas did exactly this. and insurance premiums went UP.
the reason malpractice insurance companies lose money is 'cuz they
invest their revenue and they've taken a hit. so, like all the rich
folks, they want us to pay for their losses.

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On Aug 21, 11:32*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message

t...

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth
considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052970204884404574362971349563340.html#m od=article-outset-box

Except, I don't believe we can allow this health care system to continue
much longer. *It's approaching 20%GDP now, and in 2050 is expected to
reach 33% GDP. *If Obama fails this time around, it's unlikely that he
will make another attempt. *This problem has been building for several
decades, I think, this is our best shot at it.

You are probably right. I simply have a problem with folks who go for a
government solution without considering measures that do not involve
unimaginable public debt and increased taxes forever.

as opposed to unimaginable private debt and increased health insurance
premiums forever

how's that working out?

The Swiss have an
effective program that doesn't involve public funds at all, except to
regulate. A number of other options are not being considered because the
power-hungry Congress and Dims generally have their minds set in concrete..
Opposition is met with derision, rather than seeking common ground.

gee. the GOP had power for the last 8 years.

why didn't they clean the mess up? answer? 'cuz they own the insurance
companies.

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On Aug 20, 10:05*pm, JustWait wrote:


Well, it was paid for, as much as the Government pays for anything..
What threw it off was the 4 dollar gas and forced low score/no score
home loans... Several "folks" tried to head off both issues, but were
filibustered at every turn...

--


actually....no.

the largest mortgage company in the US was countrywide. it was under
no obligation at all to lend to anyone. but it did. it got greedy.

so, try again.

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On Aug 20, 10:03*pm, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, when I asked yesterday to see violent opposition to Health Care
where folks are driving speakers off the stage and down the street like
the protests against republicans and the minutemen in the last few
years.. I got back a couple links from my bud Loogie, one of them going
back to the Nixon Administration... Guess Grandma really didn't bring a
nazi sign or brandish a weapon or force any speakers to leave the
building without having a say.. It just blows me away how ****ed off the
left is about folks speaking their minds, but never said anything about
the violent protests I noted before. The other thing that gets me is
their opposition is so vapid, they can't even accept that someone else
can honestly have a different point of view... The consider anybody who
has a different point of view, to be a lesser human intelligence..
Reminds me a lot of the KKK clowns I met in 'Bama... You were either
with them, or inferior...


what's funny is watching the right bitch about solutions to problems.
this is like watching an arsonist complain that too much water's being
used to fight the fire he started

the GOP had power for the last 8 years. they COULD have solved the
problem but their only solution to date is complaining that obama
hasn't cleaned up the mess they made.

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On Aug 21, 9:08*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 21, 6:37*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:30:08 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 11:45*pm, "SteveB" wrote:

Well, if this thing is approved, let's just keep count of how many five way
bypasses and aortic valve replacements there are. *Nothing like reality to
keep things straight. *My heart surgery was near $200k. *I doubt that would
have been covered under Obama.

and if you lost your job and had no health insurance

would it have been covered then?

Try reading.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434217007286....

Then come back and argue against his points.

You'd rather whine.
--

try getting health insurance without a job. then come back and whine
that the rich are being treated unfairly.

Against which of his points are you arguing?

Or, are you just whining again. Holy ****, don't you get tired of
listening to yourself?
--


says the man who whines in an echo chamber

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:32:37 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


You are probably right. I simply have a problem with folks who go for a
government solution without considering measures that do not involve
unimaginable public debt and increased taxes forever. The Swiss have an
effective program that doesn't involve public funds at all, except to
regulate. A number of other options are not being considered because the
power-hungry Congress and Dims generally have their minds set in
concrete. Opposition is met with derision, rather than seeking common
ground.

I wasn't familiar with the Swiss system, so I did a little reading on
it. I like that it is not employer based. Our model of tying health
care to a job, IMO, is a mistake. It's anti-competitive in the world
market. Their care is not cheap, however, at 11.5% GDP, it's second only
to us. By the by, it is also subsidized by the government, according to
income levels. Another thing, I'm not sure would fly over here, it's
government price controlled.

Nothing for nothing, but Obama's plan seems similar to me. Everyone
would be required to have health insurance, with subsidies for lower
incomes. Because, price controls won't fly over here, he wants to have a
government option, or co-op, to provide competition in the market. I
don't think this is unreasonable. Without price controls, something has
to provide competition, or with health insurance being required, nothing
will keep prices down.

Another thing of note, the Swiss have considerably more doctors and
nurses per capita. Perhaps, we should get into subsidizing medical
students heavily. More doctors and nurses, might keep costs down
somewhat.

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:32:37 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


You are probably right. I simply have a problem with folks who go for a
government solution without considering measures that do not involve
unimaginable public debt and increased taxes forever. The Swiss have an
effective program that doesn't involve public funds at all, except to
regulate. A number of other options are not being considered because the
power-hungry Congress and Dims generally have their minds set in
concrete. Opposition is met with derision, rather than seeking common
ground.

I wasn't familiar with the Swiss system, so I did a little reading on
it. I like that it is not employer based. Our model of tying health
care to a job, IMO, is a mistake. It's anti-competitive in the world
market. Their care is not cheap, however, at 11.5% GDP, it's second only
to us. By the by, it is also subsidized by the government, according to
income levels. Another thing, I'm not sure would fly over here, it's
government price controlled.

Nothing for nothing, but Obama's plan seems similar to me. Everyone
would be required to have health insurance, with subsidies for lower
incomes. Because, price controls won't fly over here, he wants to have a
government option, or co-op, to provide competition in the market. I
don't think this is unreasonable. Without price controls, something has
to provide competition, or with health insurance being required, nothing
will keep prices down.

Another thing of note, the Swiss have considerably more doctors and
nurses per capita. Perhaps, we should get into subsidizing medical
students heavily. More doctors and nurses, might keep costs down
somewhat.

Good points. Requiring people who can afford health insurance to pay for it
but don't now have it will eliminate a majority of the 45 to 50 million who
are now uninsured.

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In article ,
says...

SteveB wrote:

I think so, and want to be a poster child. If health care were in the state
they want it to be during the last ten years, I would have been dead nine.
One of those who are too old to be worth the trouble and expense.

Steve

Sorry to tell you, but no matter what Sara Palin told you, that death
panel thing isn't true.

Can't tell when you are being manipulated?

That's right man, it's not a "death panel" dude, like Obama said, it's
an "end of life panel"... Big difference snerk. We are making progress
though, at least they now admit the group of a couple dozen unrelated
and disconnected govt assessors is indeed a "panel"...

--
Wafa free since 2009

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth
considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052970204884404574362971349563340.html#m od=article-outset-box

Except, I don't believe we can allow this health care system to continue
much longer. It's approaching 20%GDP now, and in 2050 is expected to
reach 33% GDP. If Obama fails this time around, it's unlikely that he
will make another attempt. This problem has been building for several
decades, I think, this is our best shot at it.

Well of course you do.. Right now, we have to do it now before anybody
reads the damn thing...

--
Wafa free since 2009

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On Aug 24, 9:06*am, JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...



SteveB wrote:

I think so, and want to be a poster child. *If health care were in the state
they want it to be during the last ten years, I would have been dead nine.
One of those who are too old to be worth the trouble and expense.

Steve

Sorry to tell you, but no matter what Sara Palin told you, that death
panel thing isn't true.

Can't tell when you are being manipulated?

That's right man, it's not a "death panel" dude, like Obama said, it's
an "end of life panel"... Big difference snerk. We are making progress
though, at least they now admit the group of a couple dozen unrelated
and disconnected govt assessors is indeed a "panel"...

--

of course, we have death panels TODAY in the US

they're called 'health insurance companies'

the right just ignores this because, as long as you're being killed by
the rich, that's OK.

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:55 -0400, H the K wrote:


Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.

I don't get it. Health care is approaching 20% GDP. It's
unsustainable. And what has the Party of No suggested? Nothing.

I may be wrong here, but if I were Obama, I'd be marshaling my party, and
passing health care reform without the Republicans. They don't want to
play, let them wither on the vine.

Are you not paying attention? Many republican bills and ideas have been
dumped by the wayside with absolutely no consideration or debate... Just
because you don't like the idea, or it isn't yours, doesn't mean it's
bad..

The dems just want to take all the credit, but none of the
responsibility... I hope they do the Nuclear option, then after the next
election when the country can't take anymore the repubs can do the same
and reverse all the nonsense and stop the payoffs to the Unions..
--
Wafa free since 2009

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:

I can hardly wait. Here's a bit of analysis and advice worth
considering:

http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052970204884404574362971349563340.html#m od=article-outset-box

Except, I don't believe we can allow this health care system to continue
much longer. It's approaching 20%GDP now, and in 2050 is expected to
reach 33% GDP. If Obama fails this time around, it's unlikely that he
will make another attempt. This problem has been building for several
decades, I think, this is our best shot at it.

Well of course you do.. Right now, we have to do it now before anybody
reads the damn thing...


Perhaps "the Freak" will explain why he, of all people, is so
opposed...after all, *he* depends upon the taxpayers for his health care.

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
SteveB wrote:
I think so, and want to be a poster child. If health care were in the state
they want it to be during the last ten years, I would have been dead nine.
One of those who are too old to be worth the trouble and expense.

Steve
Sorry to tell you, but no matter what Sara Palin told you, that death
panel thing isn't true.

Can't tell when you are being manipulated?

That's right man, it's not a "death panel" dude, like Obama said, it's
an "end of life panel"... Big difference snerk. We are making progress
though, at least they now admit the group of a couple dozen unrelated
and disconnected govt assessors is indeed a "panel"...

Damned liberals want to kill the elderly......
How crazy can you guys get?

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:55 -0400, H the K wrote:


Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.
I don't get it. Health care is approaching 20% GDP. It's
unsustainable. And what has the Party of No suggested? Nothing.

I may be wrong here, but if I were Obama, I'd be marshaling my party, and
passing health care reform without the Republicans. They don't want to
play, let them wither on the vine.

Are you not paying attention? Many republican bills and ideas have been
dumped by the wayside with absolutely no consideration or debate... Just
because you don't like the idea, or it isn't yours, doesn't mean it's
bad..

Same could easily be said to you about Obama's plan.

The dems just want to take all the credit, but none of the
responsibility... I hope they do the Nuclear option, then after the next
election when the country can't take anymore the repubs can do the same
and reverse all the nonsense and stop the payoffs to the Unions..

Yeah, sure. The republicans will ride in on their white horses, fix
everything perfectly and there will be utopia.......

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JustWait wrote:


I am not a liar, and have never been accused of such here by
anybody who is listening.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:27:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
SteveB wrote:
I think so, and want to be a poster child. If health care were in the state
they want it to be during the last ten years, I would have been dead nine.
One of those who are too old to be worth the trouble and expense.

Steve
Sorry to tell you, but no matter what Sara Palin told you, that death
panel thing isn't true.

Can't tell when you are being manipulated?

That's right man, it's not a "death panel" dude, like Obama said, it's
an "end of life panel"... Big difference snerk. We are making progress
though, at least they now admit the group of a couple dozen unrelated
and disconnected govt assessors is indeed a "panel"...

Damned liberals want to kill the elderly......
How crazy can you guys get?

....and kill the unborn babies.

Hey, it'll help the global warming problem, along with Al Gore light
bulbs.

What happens to the mercury from all those bulbs?
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:29:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:55 -0400, H the K wrote:


Herring has federal health care. Suggestion: take that away from him,
and give it to a needy family.
I don't get it. Health care is approaching 20% GDP. It's
unsustainable. And what has the Party of No suggested? Nothing.

I may be wrong here, but if I were Obama, I'd be marshaling my party, and
passing health care reform without the Republicans. They don't want to
play, let them wither on the vine.

Are you not paying attention? Many republican bills and ideas have been
dumped by the wayside with absolutely no consideration or debate... Just
because you don't like the idea, or it isn't yours, doesn't mean it's
bad..

Same could easily be said to you about Obama's plan.

The dems just want to take all the credit, but none of the
responsibility... I hope they do the Nuclear option, then after the next
election when the country can't take anymore the repubs can do the same
and reverse all the nonsense and stop the payoffs to the Unions..

Yeah, sure. The republicans will ride in on their white horses, fix
everything perfectly and there will be utopia.......

Obama hasn't put a plan on the table.

There is no such thing as 'Obama's Plan'. He just keeps bouncing
around the issue. Even your own Dems are ****ed because he never got
specific. Listen to Ed Schultz instead of Limbaugh and you'll get the
'straight poop'. Oh, and you'll understand why liberal talk radio
doesn't do very well.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

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On Aug 24, 9:06 am, JustWait wrote:
In article ,

That's right man, it's not a "death panel" dude, like Obama said, it's
an "end of life panel"... Big difference snerk. We are making progress
though, at least they now admit the group of a couple dozen unrelated
and disconnected govt assessors is indeed a "panel"...


Please provide a source for your quote, "end of life panel" that you
attribute to Obama. A google search does not turn it up.

Here's my problem with your point, your side makes **** up. If you have
to make up a quote, you don't have a point.

Problem with you guys, the truth does not matter.

So, where's your source?

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In article ,
says...

On Aug 24, 9:06 am, JustWait wrote:
In article ,

That's right man, it's not a "death panel" dude, like Obama said, it's
an "end of life panel"... Big difference snerk. We are making progress
though, at least they now admit the group of a couple dozen unrelated
and disconnected govt assessors is indeed a "panel"...


Please provide a source for your quote, "end of life panel" that you
attribute to Obama. A google search does not turn it up.

Here's my problem with your point, your side makes **** up. If you have
to make up a quote, you don't have a point.

Problem with you guys, the truth does not matter.

So, where's your source?

I noted it last week immediately after seeing it in a staged town hall
meeting he was having, it must have been last Wednesday or Thursday
iirc. I am not a liar, and have never been accused of such here by
anybody who is listening.. Sorry I can not find the video of that
meeting, but it did happen, and it is a direct quote...

--
Wafa free since 2009