Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can
be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where
he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these
two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.


Maybe the cop should have thrown Gates down a staircase, as the cops did
with The Freak here. Wonder what The Freak did to earn that sort of
treatment?




--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can
be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where
he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these
two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want
to do.

Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.

See above.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

He just carries it when he wants a good table at the restaurant or a closer
parking space.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Apples and oranges. I was commenting on the arrest, not the circumstances.
And he was also not inside his home.

"jps" wrote in message
...

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Of course not. Police lie. All the time. Bad, bad police.
Better off without them.

Eisboch

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:10:55 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Of course not. Police lie. All the time. Bad, bad police.
Better off without them.

Eisboch

Are you putting words in my mouth or just being petulant?

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can not be arrested?


Yep. We held a wedding and reception on our property in Florida. Band
music was loud and eventually, as the evening became late complaints were
filed. I had two visits from the police. One was a warning. The second
was an immediate demand to kill the music and quiet down or the bride and
groom would spend their honeymoon night in jail.

I cooperated with the police.

Eisboch