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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:10:37 -0400, "J" wrote:
Richard Wagner was a musical genius who deserves to have his art played for generations to come. Hitler's love of Wagner's music only shows that despite his twisted politics, he had exquisite taste. http://www.sgvtribune.com/weirdnews/...6?source=email County officials today will weigh in on whether the LA Opera should hold a festival honoring the music of Richard Wagner, an anti-Semitic 19th-century composer. The opera company is scheduled to perform Wagner's "Ring" cycle opera over several months, starting in April 2010. It will also feature lectures and other events tied the composer. But county Supervisor Michael Antonovich, who represents parts of the San Gabriel Valley, has introduced a motion calling on the Board of Supervisors to oppose the opera company's plans to feature Wagner's work so prominently. Some have charged that his music, which was admired by Adolf Hitler, represents a Nazi ideology and should not be performed. But representatives of the opera company say Antonovich is attempting censorship. The board lacks the power to regulate what music the opera company can perform: Today's motion, if approved, would result in a letter from the board to the opera company asking it to lessen its focus on Wagner by including works by other composers and offering lectures focusing on Wagner's openly anti-Semitic views. The arrogance of some Jews is amazing. Martin |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
wrote in message ... On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:10:37 -0400, "J" wrote: Richard Wagner was a musical genius who deserves to have his art played for generations to come. Hitler's love of Wagner's music only shows that despite his twisted politics, he had exquisite taste. SNIP The arrogance of some Jews is amazing. Martin And the 'insensitivity' of some non-Jews are also amazing. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
On Jul 26, 6:56*am, "Sanity" wrote:
wrote in message The arrogance of some Jews is amazing. And the 'insensitivity' of some non-Jews are also amazing. Actually, the German nation did NOT start the Kulturkampf, they were *invaded* by foreign refugees who challenged their music, literature, art and *politics*. However, the article referenced at http://www.sgvtribune.com/ weirdnews/ci_12878096?source=email does show a more balanced viewpoint. Supervisor Antonovich was originally calling for balance and there were some well- thought out responses to Dan Abendschein's article. |
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On Jul 26, 10:30*am, "Jeff Mayner" wrote:
Personally, I think Wagner is overrated and hardly listenable but that doesn't mean I think his "music" should be censored. RW would be more popular if Disney Studios would animate the Ring Cycle, add some Black, Jewish, and Mexican characters, and run the whole thing at the tempo of a Roadrunner cartoon. ;-) |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
wrote in message
... The board lacks the power to regulate what music the opera company can perform: Today's motion, if approved, would result in a letter from the board to the opera company asking it to lessen its focus on Wagner by including works by other composers and offering lectures focusing on Wagner's openly anti-Semitic views. The arrogance of some Jews is amazing. This is an interesting thought exercise. The facts against Wagner seem to be that: a)He had anti-Semitic views. b)He did not commit crimes against Jews directly. (Actually, in his favor.) c)The Holocaust did occur. (This aggravates the situation at a visceral level because this type of mass murder is a very emotional issue.) I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music of someone who as best I know didn't actually commit crimes is an interesting one. (c) changes all the rules, due to the horrific magnitude of the crimes. It is also relevant that Wagner's death predated the Holocaust, so his remarks originally existed in a context that did not include the Holocaust. He might not have made the remarks post-1945. So, literally, the original context for interpreting the severity and appropriateness of the remarks is gone. An author with anti-black views might face similar scrutiny ... Datesfat |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Datesfat Chicks wrote
wrote The board lacks the power to regulate what music the opera company can perform: Today's motion, if approved, would result in a letter from the board to the opera company asking it to lessen its focus on Wagner by including works by other composers and offering lectures focusing on Wagner's openly anti-Semitic views. The arrogance of some Jews is amazing. This is an interesting thought exercise. The facts against Wagner seem to be that: a)He had anti-Semitic views. He wasnt alone in that. b)He did not commit crimes against Jews directly. (Actually, in his favor.) c)The Holocaust did occur. (This aggravates the situation at a visceral level because this type of mass murder is a very emotional issue.) I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. of someone who as best I know didn't actually commit crimes is an interesting one. (c) changes all the rules, due to the horrific magnitude of the crimes. It is also relevant that Wagner's death predated the Holocaust, so his remarks originally existed in a context that did not include the Holocaust. He might not have made the remarks post-1945. So, literally, the original context for interpreting the severity and appropriateness of the remarks is gone. An author with anti-black views might face similar scrutiny ... |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
... I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher--is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. I didn't even know it was available. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Datesfat |
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Datesfat Chicks wrote
Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Hard to find, and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Probably enough to derail a career. Which pretty much excludes it use. |
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Calif Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:48:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: You're wrong. Corse it is. Correct., Nope. Wrong. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? -- Turby the Turbosurfer |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Hard to find, and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Probably enough to derail a career. Which pretty much excludes it use. In any case, the objection to the medical data is that it was obtained by using concentration camp inmates in ways that are considered to be inhumane. Given that Wagner died 6 years before Hitler was born, it's difficult to see how that particular objection could apply to him. |
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Turby wrote:
Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:59:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: Turby wrote: Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. You know, I actually thought you were right, and had some experience or personal knowledge about the subject, but were just too lazy to expound on it. I have no idea who Pozos is, nor do I care. I've never thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. But it's now obvious that you're just another Usenet idiot with an attitude whose posts I can ignore. -- Turby the Turbosurfer |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Turby" wrote
thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. .... When I consider it ... suppose some evil scientist(s) used inhuman methods to discover say, a simple cure for cancer and AIDS - a benign pill one could take and be cancer and AIDS free for life. Should that info be supressed because of the way it was discovered?? |
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Turby wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:59:37 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: Turby wrote: Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. You know, I actually thought you were right, and had some experience or personal knowledge about the subject, but were just too lazy to expound on it. I have no idea who Pozos is, nor do I care. I've never thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. But it's now obvious that you're just another Usenet idiot with an attitude whose posts I can ignore. Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag. |
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On Jul 28, 9:13 am, "Vito" wrote:
"Turby" wrote thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. .... When I consider it ... suppose some evil scientist(s) used inhuman methods to discover say, a simple cure for cancer and AIDS - a benign pill one could take and be cancer and AIDS free for life. Should that info be supressed because of the way it was discovered?? Only if it involved embryonic stem cells. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Turby wrote: Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Hard to find, and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Probably enough to derail a career. Which pretty much excludes it use. In any case, the objection to the medical data is that it was obtained by using concentration camp inmates in ways that are considered to be inhumane. Given that Wagner died 6 years before Hitler was born, it's difficult to see how that particular objection could apply to him. I was only expounding on the bio information from the viewpoint of an engineer in the bioengineering field. Wagner "The ride of the Valkyries" is great. Sort of Apocalypse Now music. |
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Calif Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? |
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Calif Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. |
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says... "Turby" wrote thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. .... When I consider it ... suppose some evil scientist(s) used inhuman methods to discover say, a simple cure for cancer and AIDS - a benign pill one could take and be cancer and AIDS free for life. Should that info be supressed because of the way it was discovered?? No, it should be suppressed because it would interfere with the cash being pulled in by Big Pharma (who want AIDS to be common, chronic, and needing expensive meds for life.) It would also interfere with the money and egos at various AIDS focused organisations. -- Want Privacy? http://www.MinistryOfPrivacy.com/ |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. So no expertise, and bad vocabulary. Fits a dummy. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Calif Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. So no expertise, You're lying now. and bad vocabulary. Yours is nothing to write home about, you pathetic excuse for a lying bull**** artist. Fits a dummy. Leave you for dead, ****wit. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. So no expertise, You're lying now. and bad vocabulary. Yours is nothing to write home about, you pathetic excuse for a lying bull**** artist. Fits a dummy. Leave you for dead, ****wit. And the dummy resorts to foul language. Another point in his idiocy. |
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Calif Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. So no expertise, You're lying now. and bad vocabulary. Yours is nothing to write home about, you pathetic excuse for a lying bull**** artist. Fits a dummy. Leave you for dead, ****wit. And the dummy resorts to foul language. The ****wit trots out that pathetically hoary old line when its got done like a ****ing dinner, over and over again. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Rod Speed wrote:
Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. So no expertise, You're lying now. and bad vocabulary. Yours is nothing to write home about, you pathetic excuse for a lying bull**** artist. Fits a dummy. Leave you for dead, ****wit. And the dummy resorts to foul language. The ****wit trots out that pathetically hoary old line when its got done like a ****ing dinner, over and over again. plonk. |
Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
NotNow wrote:
Rod Speed wrote: Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Turby wrote Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. And clearly those who have published him havent either. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. Just because some fools operate that way, doesnt mean that everyone does. And what is your expertise in the medical field? Dont need any. Just need to see that Pozos has done fine, in spite of your claim. He aint alone either. It makes absolutely no sense to just waste those lives ruined by the activitys of the nazis. So no expertise, You're lying now. and bad vocabulary. Yours is nothing to write home about, you pathetic excuse for a lying bull**** artist. Fits a dummy. Leave you for dead, ****wit. And the dummy resorts to foul language. The ****wit trots out that pathetically hoary old line when its got done like a ****ing dinner, over and over again. plonk. No one gives a flying red **** what clowns like you do or do not read, child. |
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wrote in message Way to feed a cross-posting troll, ****head. Plonk! |
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