I ain't dead yet...
 

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

I ain't dead yet...
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf


There's no way SW Tom will die with dignity.

Seriously, though, SW Tom has become or perhaps always was just another
right-wing "we can't fix that, do that, improve that" Republican who
goal it is to stymie Obama anyway he can. Improving society or making
life a bit easy for the disadvantaged...no concern of his.



--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf

Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

I'm telling you flat out - rationed care, elderly, "consultations" -
Obama wants the boomers to go away - the faster the better.

Obama and the Congress Critters get the best of care for their entire
lives - too bad that everybody else has to pay for it including
eliminating senior citizens.

Screw you Obama.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:45:19 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf

Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

I'm telling you flat out - rationed care, elderly, "consultations" -
Obama wants the boomers to go away - the faster the better.

Obama and the Congress Critters get the best of care for their entire
lives - too bad that everybody else has to pay for it including
eliminating senior citizens.

Screw you Obama.

Back in the 3rd quarter of the last century, works such as Logan's
Run, Animal Farm, 1984, and Brave New World were considered cautionary
tales, and for most persons in those days the notion of such radical
forms of society and government were disturbing. These days, for
Obama & Co, these works are manifestos for good government.

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Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf

Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

-

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?



A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I ain't dead yet...
 

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:59:18 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Gee, I'm older than you are

And you call the people in Sarasota (average age 42.5) "geezers" ;-)

http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popIn...?locIndex=8905


Harry doesn't have to know anything about a geographical area, or of an
areas demographics to instantly be a bigoted piece of ****.

I ain't dead yet...
 

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:59:18 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Gee, I'm older than you are

And you call the people in Sarasota (average age 42.5) "geezers" ;-)

http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popIn...?locIndex=8905



Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I ain't dead yet...
 

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:44:20 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:59:18 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Gee, I'm older than you are
And you call the people in Sarasota (average age 42.5) "geezers" ;-)

http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popIn...?locIndex=8905


Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.

Sarasota is really a fairly young town, particularly when you get away
from the filthy rich areas.



My wife has a number of relatives in that area, and we've visited. My
best memory is visiting her grandmother, who had a dozen or so
fruit-bearing citrus trees. Nothing beats picking fresh oranges in the am.

I just never "took" to the area. Too hot for me, and I didn't much like
the topography. When it comes to south Florida, I prefer Bal Harbour.
Just as hot, of course, and same flat land but...lots to do, restaurants
we like, uncrowded ocean beaches in front of the condos, easy fishing,
Carib/Latino culture, Ft. Lauderdale airport (cheap airfares from here,
convenient). I'm sure the other coast of florida offers a lot, too...

I ain't dead yet...
 

I ain't dead yet...
 

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

-

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?

In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.
--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?

In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:30:06 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:45:19 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf

Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

I'm telling you flat out - rationed care, elderly, "consultations" -
Obama wants the boomers to go away - the faster the better.

Obama and the Congress Critters get the best of care for their entire
lives - too bad that everybody else has to pay for it including
eliminating senior citizens.

Screw you Obama.

Back in the 3rd quarter of the last century, works such as Logan's
Run, Animal Farm, 1984, and Brave New World were considered cautionary
tales, and for most persons in those days the notion of such radical
forms of society and government were disturbing. These days, for
Obama & Co, these works are manifestos for good government.

Cough, cough, hack, hack.... excuse me while I regain my breath.

Who's been using the womb and family values as a political tool?

Whoi's been completely and willingly blind to our health care crisis?

Who's trying to derail any progress on the front?

Yes, it's the Republican party and "conservatives."

You guys are a bloody mess.

****ing Bush and the Republicans saw this coming as much as 911 and
the economic crisis.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?

In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I'm sure if someone suggested you "just let go" you'd probably go for
it, eh? Lots of folks do. Most are ready to let go and get it
overwith.

You could do it with Harry's gun if you didn't want the assistance of
a medical professional who's in cahoots with Obama.

The soilent green factory awaits your contribution.

I ain't dead yet...
 

Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf
Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.
Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?
In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I took my mother in law to the hospital because she had cut her leg on
the car door. Because it was such a deep and long cut, they must have
asked her that question at least 5 times.

I took my wife (age 48) into the emergency room for pneumonia last year,
and it was one of the first questions they asked. The only thing that
surprised me, was they asked the question in front of me. If I was
really abusing her, they should be asking it discreetly without anyone
else around.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:00:38 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Water does make a difference. I've read that Miami has *never* reached
100 degrees. I mean, it's in the low nineties all summer long, but to
never have reached 100? I find that quite surprising.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

I ain't dead yet...
 

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".


SW Tom must spend a lot of time at the hospital. I don't. I've never
been to a doctor's office where anyone has asked me the questions under
discussion here. In fact, I visited my ophthalmologist last week for an
exam, and *he* didn't ask me, either.

I still wonder if SW Tom looks frail *or* perhaps he has a medical
history that might necessitate asking him those life or death questions.

Your point, however, is pertinent. It's a good idea to have a living will.


--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I ain't dead yet...
 

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)

I ain't dead yet...
 

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:02 -0400, H K
wrote:

Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.
Sarasota is really a fairly young town, particularly when you get away
from the filthy rich areas.


My wife has a number of relatives in that area, and we've visited. My
best memory is visiting her grandmother, who had a dozen or so
fruit-bearing citrus trees. Nothing beats picking fresh oranges in
the am.

I just never "took" to the area. Too hot for me, and I didn't much
like the topography. When it comes to south Florida, I prefer Bal
Harbour. Just as hot, of course, and same flat land but...lots to do,
restaurants we like, uncrowded ocean beaches in front of the condos,
easy fishing, Carib/Latino culture, Ft. Lauderdale airport (cheap
airfares from here, convenient). I'm sure the other coast of florida
offers a lot, too...


I think the whole East Coast is too crowded, with the possible
exception of some areas around Melbourne. I have beaches around here I
can get to by boat in 20 minutes and not see a soul (with no condos).
We also have lots of places we can go up in the mangroves in the bay
where nobody goes.
On the other hand I am 10 minutes from a Ruths Chris steak house if I
want to spend some money, 10 minutes from I-75 and 15 minutes from an
international airport.
I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Yeah, a few years ago my bud got a nice little chunk of property about 3
miles from the 10 and 75 intersection.. Out in the sticks enough that
with the new Hilton and Walmart that came in he should be ok in a couple
of years...

Live Oak. If you're ever there, go to Sheffield's Catfish House, it's a
dumpy looking truckstop, best catfish ever.

I ain't dead yet...
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)


When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?



--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:57:58 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf
Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.
Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?
In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I took my mother in law to the hospital because she had cut her leg on
the car door. Because it was such a deep and long cut, they must have
asked her that question at least 5 times.

I took my wife (age 48) into the emergency room for pneumonia last year,
and it was one of the first questions they asked. The only thing that
surprised me, was they asked the question in front of me. If I was
really abusing her, they should be asking it discreetly without anyone
else around.

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:54:09 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe".

Perhaps, they are looking for cases of elderly abuse. It seems to be
prevalent.

I ain't dead yet...
 

H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't
like the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is
as prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it
uncomfortable talking about death, but your loved ones do need to
know your wishes about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).
What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)


When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

Social worker employment act.

I ain't dead yet...
 

H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't
like the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is
as prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it
uncomfortable talking about death, but your loved ones do need to
know your wishes about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).
What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)


When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

When my mother broke her neck, a social worker came by to review her
situation for "after care". This is standard operating procedure.
They reviewed her home situation to make sure someone would be able to
help her with her rehab and make sure she/and I understood all options
available.

One of the first questions the front desk asks when you visit a hospital
for any kind of procedure is "do you have a living will". They not only
want to know if you have a living will, but most will recommend you give
the hospital a copy so they have it on record in case they have to make
a decision when a family member is not available.


--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

I ain't dead yet...
 

H the K wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf


There's no way SW Tom will die with dignity.

Seriously, though, SW Tom has become or perhaps always was just another
right-wing "we can't fix that, do that, improve that" Republican who
goal it is to stymie Obama anyway he can. Improving society or making
life a bit easy for the disadvantaged...no concern of his.

Why fix what isn't broken.

Your alleged improvements to society are at the expense of individual
liberty.

I ain't dead yet...
 

Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:57:58 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf
Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.
Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?
In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.
Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
I took my mother in law to the hospital because she had cut her leg on
the car door. Because it was such a deep and long cut, they must have
asked her that question at least 5 times.

I took my wife (age 48) into the emergency room for pneumonia last year,
and it was one of the first questions they asked. The only thing that
surprised me, was they asked the question in front of me. If I was
really abusing her, they should be asking it discreetly without anyone
else around.

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.

I am sure they took at look at you and KNEW you were the one doing the
abusing. ;)



--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

I ain't dead yet...
 

"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
...

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.


Years ago my nephew caught a hook in the earlobe while fishing with his
father.
They took him to the emergency room. DSS was called in. They thought the
kid
was being used as a target while practicing casting.

Eisboch

I ain't dead yet...
 

NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:02 -0400, H K
wrote:

Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.
Sarasota is really a fairly young town, particularly when you get away
from the filthy rich areas.


My wife has a number of relatives in that area, and we've visited.
My best memory is visiting her grandmother, who had a dozen or so
fruit-bearing citrus trees. Nothing beats picking fresh oranges in
the am.

I just never "took" to the area. Too hot for me, and I didn't much
like the topography. When it comes to south Florida, I prefer Bal
Harbour. Just as hot, of course, and same flat land but...lots to
do, restaurants we like, uncrowded ocean beaches in front of the
condos, easy fishing, Carib/Latino culture, Ft. Lauderdale airport
(cheap airfares from here, convenient). I'm sure the other coast of
florida offers a lot, too...


I think the whole East Coast is too crowded, with the possible
exception of some areas around Melbourne. I have beaches around here I
can get to by boat in 20 minutes and not see a soul (with no condos).
We also have lots of places we can go up in the mangroves in the bay
where nobody goes.
On the other hand I am 10 minutes from a Ruths Chris steak house if I
want to spend some money, 10 minutes from I-75 and 15 minutes from an
international airport.
I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Yeah, a few years ago my bud got a nice little chunk of property about
3 miles from the 10 and 75 intersection.. Out in the sticks enough
that with the new Hilton and Walmart that came in he should be ok in a
couple of years...

Live Oak. If you're ever there, go to Sheffield's Catfish House, it's a
dumpy looking truckstop, best catfish ever.

Live Oak, exactly... He has a little place down there, a vacation
trailer there that is open most of the year. When I go down someday, I
will check it out.

I love catfish. I used to live in a pretty rough neighborhood in
Hartford where this big dude had a catfish house. You should have seen
the faces when I walked in there, but the owner kept the patrons from
shooting me while I ate my fish and hushpuppies...

I ain't dead yet...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.


Years ago my nephew caught a hook in the earlobe while fishing with his
father.
They took him to the emergency room. DSS was called in. They thought the
kid
was being used as a target while practicing casting.

That's just too funny. If I had a brother I would have used him as
casting practice.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:59:33 -0400, BAR wrote:


That's just too funny. If I had a brother I would have used him as
casting practice.

I think a lot of brothers must have. I was in an emergency room that had
a cardboard cut-out of a man. In it were stuck all the fish hooks and
lures the emergency room had removed from patients. There were very few
parts of that cut-out that didn't have a hook hanging from it.

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:04:32 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:59:33 -0400, BAR wrote:


That's just too funny. If I had a brother I would have used him as
casting practice.

I think a lot of brothers must have. I was in an emergency room that had
a cardboard cut-out of a man. In it were stuck all the fish hooks and
lures the emergency room had removed from patients. There were very few
parts of that cut-out that didn't have a hook hanging from it.

That's why I don't take Scott out anymore - he thinks it's fun to aim
at my hats, T-top and eyes on his back cast. :)

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:32:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.


Years ago my nephew caught a hook in the earlobe while fishing with his
father.
They took him to the emergency room. DSS was called in. They thought the
kid
was being used as a target while practicing casting.

I believe it - with my youngest boy, ER visits were a matter of course
- kid just didn't know how to slow down - everything had to be as full
speed. :)

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:04:17 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:54:09 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe".

Perhaps, they are looking for cases of elderly abuse. It seems to be
prevalent.

Oh - you will pay for that one my friend - oh yes indeed. :)

I ain't dead yet...
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:56:35 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)

When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

Either a social worker or the triage nurse - or if it's a physician
visit, the nursing assistant or patient evaluator.

Not to be a smart ass Harry, but I'm very surprised that you are not
aware of this - these are standard questions on your yearly physical
evaluation form and if you visit a physician for whatever reason, it's
part of your intake interview by the attending nurse or assistant.

I believe, but I'm not sure, that it's a Federal law/policy/whatever
that was attached to the HIPA bill. I know it's state law and I would
be very surprised that your state doesn't have it.

Which is a whole other rant by the way. :)

I ain't dead yet...
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:04:32 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:59:33 -0400, BAR wrote:


That's just too funny. If I had a brother I would have used him as
casting practice.
I think a lot of brothers must have. I was in an emergency room that had
a cardboard cut-out of a man. In it were stuck all the fish hooks and
lures the emergency room had removed from patients. There were very few
parts of that cut-out that didn't have a hook hanging from it.

That's why I don't take Scott out anymore - he thinks it's fun to aim
at my hats, T-top and eyes on his back cast. :)

Bull frekin' ****. I have never got you on a back cast!! I clearly get
you on the front cast! Of course I don't see all that well... or do I??
Hummmmmm, makes one wonder..

I ain't dead yet...
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:56:35 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".
I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)
When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

Either a social worker or the triage nurse - or if it's a physician
visit, the nursing assistant or patient evaluator.

Not to be a smart ass Harry, but I'm very surprised that you are not
aware of this - these are standard questions on your yearly physical
evaluation form and if you visit a physician for whatever reason, it's
part of your intake interview by the attending nurse or assistant.

I believe, but I'm not sure, that it's a Federal law/policy/whatever
that was attached to the HIPA bill. I know it's state law and I would
be very surprised that your state doesn't have it.

Which is a whole other rant by the way. :)

They asked that in the hospital and they asked me for "three things we
can do to make your stay better"... The admitting nurse stood there
until I answered both.. I tried to snuff off the second but they
insisted on an answer...

I ain't dead yet...
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:56:35 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".
I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)
When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

Either a social worker or the triage nurse - or if it's a physician
visit, the nursing assistant or patient evaluator.

Not to be a smart ass Harry, but I'm very surprised that you are not
aware of this - these are standard questions on your yearly physical
evaluation form and if you visit a physician for whatever reason, it's
part of your intake interview by the attending nurse or assistant.

I believe, but I'm not sure, that it's a Federal law/policy/whatever
that was attached to the HIPA bill. I know it's state law and I would
be very surprised that your state doesn't have it.

Which is a whole other rant by the way. :)


I was asked that question a year or so ago when I went through hospital
intake for my colonoscopy. That's the only time I've ever been asked.

No one at my doctor's office asks me those questions. All I am ever
asked at reception is "...same address, same phone, same insurance?"
and then I have to sign some form I've actually never read. It probably
gives permission to scavenge my toes for science.




--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I ain't dead yet...
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:32:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.

Years ago my nephew caught a hook in the earlobe while fishing with his
father.
They took him to the emergency room. DSS was called in. They thought the
kid
was being used as a target while practicing casting.

I believe it - with my youngest boy, ER visits were a matter of course
- kid just didn't know how to slow down - everything had to be as full
speed. :)

Now Harry the Idiot will be telling you how you abused your kid by
letting him have fun. They pretty much know me by name in the ER at our
local hospital!