On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:16:49 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:39:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


Engineering will eventually solve the water intake issue.

I believe the engineering has already been done, it's the retrofitting.
Great Britain doesn't seem to have the intake problems, but the zebra
invaded them in the 1800s. Their water facilities were built with the
zebra in mind. Here we have to $$retrofit$$.

Yeah.

I wonder if the zebra mussell handles organic pollutants like e.coli
and such?

We had an outbreak of e.coli contamination in Putnam this week and
their water source is Roseland Lake (mentioned above) which is
polluted with rain water runoff from local farms.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:23 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:26:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:06 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/me4daq

It's an interesting article - on the one hand they improve water quality
and fishing and on the other hand, they are a pest.

There's got to be a middle ground.

And, closing launch ramps is only delaying the inevitable. Those mussels
can be transferred on something as simple as a fishing line. The ladies
right about kayaks. I was looking at another site, that had instructions
on cleaning to prevent the spread, and, from my perspective, seemed damn
near impossible to do adequately. Zebra mussels have already been found
coast to coast, and in another 20 years, I would expect them to be
pervasive.

I agree, but it seems to me, and I'm not an expert by any sense of the
word, that every article seems to emphasize the negative, but always
somewhere in the middle or bottom, the water clarity improves, the
fishing improves and there seems to be a benefit in having these
critters around. I can only relate my experience in these invested
waters and the diving was terrific - almost like diving in the
Carribean and the fishing was fantastic.

I've got to believe that there is some kind of preventative measure
they can take to lessen their impact on water intakes and such.

They are a nusiance to boats and water delivery systems. However, I think
control is the way to proceed, and not prevention from infestation. I think
infestation is inevitable.

Here in Santa Clara County (CA), they have an inspection operation in place.
Your boat must be inspected before launching in any lake in the county. All
they're really looking for is standing water of any type. They place a band
on your boat/trailer when you retrieve, and if that band is not broken the
next time you launch, you don't need to be inspected again.

It all sounds nice, and it's some nice revenue for the county I'm sure.
However, many of the boats in these lakes are of the wakeboard type that
have inboard ballast tanks. No matter how long you leave those pumps
running, there will always be some water left in those tanks... along with
mussel larvae. They can inspect all they want, but as soon as someone comes
from an infected lake, passes inspection, then fills and drains their
ballast tank, the lake will be infected.

They are only delaying the inevitable. Instead of inspecting boats, they
sould raise the launch fees, and use that $$$ to find a way to control the
buggers.

Up here in New England, we're starting to see a problem with rock
snot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymosphenia_geminata

There are a couple of lakes around here that are infected with this
and it's another case of invasion from external sources. Similar
situation.

You can't inspect every corner, nook and cranny of a boat or trailer
and the only way to prevent infestation is to require sterization of
the equipment.

There is one lake here in CT where it's fly fishing from shore only
and it's infected.

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:08:17 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


Up here in New England, we're starting to see a problem with rock snot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymosphenia_geminata

There are a couple of lakes around here that are infected with this and
it's another case of invasion from external sources. Similar situation.

You can't inspect every corner, nook and cranny of a boat or trailer and
the only way to prevent infestation is to require sterization of the
equipment.

There is one lake here in CT where it's fly fishing from shore only and
it's infected.

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!

Arguably worse than zebra mussels. I can't see any positive aspects to
rock snot. Something curious about didymo however, it is native to parts
of North America. I'm wondering why it's expanding it's range now, when
it didn't before.

Then there's the case of smallmouths in the Rapid River.

http://www.brookie.org/site/pp.asp?c...OLvF&b=1737055

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:35:02 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:08:17 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


Up here in New England, we're starting to see a problem with rock snot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymosphenia_geminata

There are a couple of lakes around here that are infected with this and
it's another case of invasion from external sources. Similar situation.

You can't inspect every corner, nook and cranny of a boat or trailer and
the only way to prevent infestation is to require sterization of the
equipment.

There is one lake here in CT where it's fly fishing from shore only and
it's infected.

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!

Arguably worse than zebra mussels. I can't see any positive aspects to
rock snot. Something curious about didymo however, it is native to parts
of North America. I'm wondering why it's expanding it's range now, when
it didn't before.

Then there's the case of smallmouths in the Rapid River.

http://www.brookie.org/site/pp.asp?c...OLvF&b=1737055

Wah wah wah - they introduced pike and smallmouth into my pristine
trout stream - wah, wah, wah.

Perfectly ok if they introduce lake trout, salmon and finger shad, but
add bass...WHOA - IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! Can't have filthy bass
fishermen in our Walden Pond - no sir.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:23 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:26:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:06 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/me4daq

It's an interesting article - on the one hand they improve water quality
and fishing and on the other hand, they are a pest.

There's got to be a middle ground.

And, closing launch ramps is only delaying the inevitable. Those mussels
can be transferred on something as simple as a fishing line. The ladies
right about kayaks. I was looking at another site, that had instructions
on cleaning to prevent the spread, and, from my perspective, seemed damn
near impossible to do adequately. Zebra mussels have already been found
coast to coast, and in another 20 years, I would expect them to be
pervasive.

I agree, but it seems to me, and I'm not an expert by any sense of the
word, that every article seems to emphasize the negative, but always
somewhere in the middle or bottom, the water clarity improves, the
fishing improves and there seems to be a benefit in having these
critters around. I can only relate my experience in these invested
waters and the diving was terrific - almost like diving in the
Carribean and the fishing was fantastic.

I've got to believe that there is some kind of preventative measure
they can take to lessen their impact on water intakes and such.

They are a nusiance to boats and water delivery systems. However, I think
control is the way to proceed, and not prevention from infestation. I think
infestation is inevitable.

Here in Santa Clara County (CA), they have an inspection operation in place.
Your boat must be inspected before launching in any lake in the county. All
they're really looking for is standing water of any type. They place a band
on your boat/trailer when you retrieve, and if that band is not broken the
next time you launch, you don't need to be inspected again.

It all sounds nice, and it's some nice revenue for the county I'm sure.
However, many of the boats in these lakes are of the wakeboard type that
have inboard ballast tanks. No matter how long you leave those pumps
running, there will always be some water left in those tanks... along with
mussel larvae. They can inspect all they want, but as soon as someone comes
from an infected lake, passes inspection, then fills and drains their
ballast tank, the lake will be infected.

They are only delaying the inevitable. Instead of inspecting boats, they
sould raise the launch fees, and use that $$$ to find a way to control the
buggers.

--Mike


....and do away with the TSA while they're at it.
--

John H

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:57:02 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:23 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


They are only delaying the inevitable. Instead of inspecting boats, they
sould raise the launch fees, and use that $$$ to find a way to control the
buggers.

Star Wars meets the Zebra
http://www.ener-tec.com/OurProductLi...9/Default.aspx

Well golly - NOW they tell me.

"For the mussels, exposure to electromagnetically charged water
increases calcium loss at a greater rate than the mussels can absorb
calcium, resulting in a net loss of this important mineral. ELF
magnetism inhibits the ability for Zebra Mussels to assimilate
calcium."

I spent twenty something years experimenting with ELF WAY below the
broadcast band. :)

No freakin' wonder I don't have any skeleton left worth speaking
about. :)

"Captain Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:23 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:26:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:06 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/me4daq

It's an interesting article - on the one hand they improve water
quality
and fishing and on the other hand, they are a pest.

There's got to be a middle ground.

And, closing launch ramps is only delaying the inevitable. Those
mussels
can be transferred on something as simple as a fishing line. The ladies
right about kayaks. I was looking at another site, that had
instructions
on cleaning to prevent the spread, and, from my perspective, seemed damn
near impossible to do adequately. Zebra mussels have already been found
coast to coast, and in another 20 years, I would expect them to be
pervasive.

I agree, but it seems to me, and I'm not an expert by any sense of the
word, that every article seems to emphasize the negative, but always
somewhere in the middle or bottom, the water clarity improves, the
fishing improves and there seems to be a benefit in having these
critters around. I can only relate my experience in these invested
waters and the diving was terrific - almost like diving in the
Carribean and the fishing was fantastic.

I've got to believe that there is some kind of preventative measure
they can take to lessen their impact on water intakes and such.

They are a nusiance to boats and water delivery systems. However, I think
control is the way to proceed, and not prevention from infestation. I
think
infestation is inevitable.

Here in Santa Clara County (CA), they have an inspection operation in
place.
Your boat must be inspected before launching in any lake in the county.
All
they're really looking for is standing water of any type. They place a
band
on your boat/trailer when you retrieve, and if that band is not broken the
next time you launch, you don't need to be inspected again.

It all sounds nice, and it's some nice revenue for the county I'm sure.
However, many of the boats in these lakes are of the wakeboard type that
have inboard ballast tanks. No matter how long you leave those pumps
running, there will always be some water left in those tanks... along with
mussel larvae. They can inspect all they want, but as soon as someone
comes
from an infected lake, passes inspection, then fills and drains their
ballast tank, the lake will be infected.

They are only delaying the inevitable. Instead of inspecting boats, they
sould raise the launch fees, and use that $$$ to find a way to control the
buggers.

Up here in New England, we're starting to see a problem with rock
snot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymosphenia_geminata

There are a couple of lakes around here that are infected with this
and it's another case of invasion from external sources. Similar
situation.

You can't inspect every corner, nook and cranny of a boat or trailer
and the only way to prevent infestation is to require sterization of
the equipment.

There is one lake here in CT where it's fly fishing from shore only
and it's infected.

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!

Fly fishermen and waders are probably one of the major culprits in the
spread of mussels and snot.

"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:35:02 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:08:17 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


Up here in New England, we're starting to see a problem with rock snot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymosphenia_geminata

There are a couple of lakes around here that are infected with this and
it's another case of invasion from external sources. Similar situation.

You can't inspect every corner, nook and cranny of a boat or trailer and
the only way to prevent infestation is to require sterization of the
equipment.

There is one lake here in CT where it's fly fishing from shore only and
it's infected.

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!

Arguably worse than zebra mussels. I can't see any positive aspects to
rock snot. Something curious about didymo however, it is native to parts
of North America. I'm wondering why it's expanding it's range now, when
it didn't before.

Then there's the case of smallmouths in the Rapid River.

http://www.brookie.org/site/pp.asp?c...OLvF&b=1737055

Wah wah wah - they introduced pike and smallmouth into my pristine
trout stream - wah, wah, wah.

Perfectly ok if they introduce lake trout, salmon and finger shad, but
add bass...WHOA - IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! Can't have filthy bass
fishermen in our Walden Pond - no sir.


Small mouth and trout live nicely together. Pike decimates a trout and
salmon stream. We here have spent millions trying to eradicate pike from
one of the feeder lakes to the Sacramento river. Someone introduced Pike in
an Alaska River and there are no more salmon in the river.

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:50:50 -0400, Lil' John
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:23 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:26:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:06 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/me4daq

It's an interesting article - on the one hand they improve water
quality
and fishing and on the other hand, they are a pest.

There's got to be a middle ground.

And, closing launch ramps is only delaying the inevitable. Those
mussels
can be transferred on something as simple as a fishing line. The
ladies
right about kayaks. I was looking at another site, that had
instructions
on cleaning to prevent the spread, and, from my perspective, seemed
damn
near impossible to do adequately. Zebra mussels have already been
found
coast to coast, and in another 20 years, I would expect them to be
pervasive.

I agree, but it seems to me, and I'm not an expert by any sense of the
word, that every article seems to emphasize the negative, but always
somewhere in the middle or bottom, the water clarity improves, the
fishing improves and there seems to be a benefit in having these
critters around. I can only relate my experience in these invested
waters and the diving was terrific - almost like diving in the
Carribean and the fishing was fantastic.

I've got to believe that there is some kind of preventative measure
they can take to lessen their impact on water intakes and such.

They are a nusiance to boats and water delivery systems. However, I think
control is the way to proceed, and not prevention from infestation. I
think
infestation is inevitable.

Here in Santa Clara County (CA), they have an inspection operation in
place.
Your boat must be inspected before launching in any lake in the county.
All
they're really looking for is standing water of any type. They place a
band
on your boat/trailer when you retrieve, and if that band is not broken
the
next time you launch, you don't need to be inspected again.

It all sounds nice, and it's some nice revenue for the county I'm sure.
However, many of the boats in these lakes are of the wakeboard type that
have inboard ballast tanks. No matter how long you leave those pumps
running, there will always be some water left in those tanks... along
with
mussel larvae. They can inspect all they want, but as soon as someone
comes
from an infected lake, passes inspection, then fills and drains their
ballast tank, the lake will be infected.

They are only delaying the inevitable. Instead of inspecting boats, they
sould raise the launch fees, and use that $$$ to find a way to control
the
buggers.

--Mike


...and do away with the TSA while they're at it.

Amen...!
--

Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net...at/my_boat.htm



TSA = = Trained to Steal Anything.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:09:47 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:50:50 -0400, Lil' John
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:23 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:26:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:06 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/me4daq

It's an interesting article - on the one hand they improve water
quality
and fishing and on the other hand, they are a pest.

There's got to be a middle ground.

And, closing launch ramps is only delaying the inevitable. Those
mussels
can be transferred on something as simple as a fishing line. The
ladies
right about kayaks. I was looking at another site, that had
instructions
on cleaning to prevent the spread, and, from my perspective, seemed
damn
near impossible to do adequately. Zebra mussels have already been
found
coast to coast, and in another 20 years, I would expect them to be
pervasive.

I agree, but it seems to me, and I'm not an expert by any sense of the
word, that every article seems to emphasize the negative, but always
somewhere in the middle or bottom, the water clarity improves, the
fishing improves and there seems to be a benefit in having these
critters around. I can only relate my experience in these invested
waters and the diving was terrific - almost like diving in the
Carribean and the fishing was fantastic.

I've got to believe that there is some kind of preventative measure
they can take to lessen their impact on water intakes and such.

They are a nusiance to boats and water delivery systems. However, I think
control is the way to proceed, and not prevention from infestation. I
think
infestation is inevitable.

Here in Santa Clara County (CA), they have an inspection operation in
place.
Your boat must be inspected before launching in any lake in the county.
All
they're really looking for is standing water of any type. They place a
band
on your boat/trailer when you retrieve, and if that band is not broken
the
next time you launch, you don't need to be inspected again.

It all sounds nice, and it's some nice revenue for the county I'm sure.
However, many of the boats in these lakes are of the wakeboard type that
have inboard ballast tanks. No matter how long you leave those pumps
running, there will always be some water left in those tanks... along
with
mussel larvae. They can inspect all they want, but as soon as someone
comes
from an infected lake, passes inspection, then fills and drains their
ballast tank, the lake will be infected.

They are only delaying the inevitable. Instead of inspecting boats, they
sould raise the launch fees, and use that $$$ to find a way to control
the
buggers.

--Mike


...and do away with the TSA while they're at it.

Amen...!
--

Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net...at/my_boat.htm



TSA = = Trained to Steal Anything.


A year ago I'd have said they're the biggest waste of money ever
invented by government. But now I realize how much the government can
*really* waste if it sets its mind to it.
--

John H