"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.

This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.


Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.


Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Lil' John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.


Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Since obama is forcing GM and Chrysler to build car that are
functionally unusable for Americans in 90% of the area of the country,
you may not have a choice.

I think it demonstrated obama's tenuous hold on reality, when the car
that Chrysler was selling and first brought back into production after
the shutdown was the Viper.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Lil' John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums
reading about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one,
but when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who
bought one looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything
but a GM. Me, I will not even rent one.

Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Since obama is forcing GM and Chrysler to build car that are
functionally unusable for Americans in 90% of the area of the country,
you may not have a choice.


Functionally unusable? Oh...you're a special needs driver. I get it.

H the K wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Lil' John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums
reading about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one,
but when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who
bought one looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything
but a GM. Me, I will not even rent one.

Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Since obama is forcing GM and Chrysler to build car that are
functionally unusable for Americans in 90% of the area of the country,
you may not have a choice.


Functionally unusable? Oh...you're a special needs driver. I get it.


Many people in 90% of the area of the United States carry things in
their cars, like children, friends, groceries, 50lbs of bags of salt,dog
food, etc.

Pick up things at the local wood products store,home improvements store,
etc., and use their cars to carry the things need for their outdoor
hobbies, etc.

They maybe perfect for the limited use in coastal cities but the for the
people who live in most of the congressional precincts of the United
States they are functionally unusable.

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a
GM. Me, I will not even rent one.
Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

Go buy one then. Lets see if the next one is like that.

On Jul 16, 9:33*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
om...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. *Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. *A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.

Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

When you spread 200,000 miles over "several" vehicles, that's not many
miles per vehicle, so there's not much of a chance to have a problem.

If you're saying that you've put 200,000 miles *each* on several GM
vehicles and have had no problem, I'd have to call BS. Statistically
impossible.

Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:33 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.
Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

When you spread 200,000 miles over "several" vehicles, that's not many
miles per vehicle, so there's not much of a chance to have a problem.

If you're saying that you've put 200,000 miles *each* on several GM
vehicles and have had no problem, I'd have to call BS. Statistically
impossible.

You need to leave the computer and come out to the real world. There are
no statistics involved. When you make trips to points that are 150 to
700 miles from where you live a couple of times per month, 200,000 miles
on one car is not impossible. In fact It is quite normal in the areas
where I have lived.

I have friends who are commuting 150 miles round trip each day. About a
year ago I was driving 70 miles round trip to work. It has been years
since I have to change even a simple thing like an alternator. I have
never lost an engine nor been left stranded by a car not working.

So I don't know where you are getting your information.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:33 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums
reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who
bought one
looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything
but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.
Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

When you spread 200,000 miles over "several" vehicles, that's not many
miles per vehicle, so there's not much of a chance to have a problem.

If you're saying that you've put 200,000 miles *each* on several GM
vehicles and have had no problem, I'd have to call BS. Statistically
impossible.

You need to leave the computer and come out to the real world. There are
no statistics involved. When you make trips to points that are 150 to
700 miles from where you live a couple of times per month, 200,000 miles
on one car is not impossible. In fact It is quite normal in the areas
where I have lived.

I have friends who are commuting 150 miles round trip each day. About a
year ago I was driving 70 miles round trip to work. It has been years
since I have to change even a simple thing like an alternator. I have
never lost an engine nor been left stranded by a car not working.

So I don't know where you are getting your information.


My last year of undergraduate college, I was working a full-time night
job five days a week at an employer 50 miles away...for a round-trip of
about 100 miles.

About 190 trips, right? Close to 20,000 miles, on a used Volvo PV544
that had 80,000 miles on it when I bought. Never missed a beat.