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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family
By: Manu Raju
Politico
July 9, 2009 03:11 PM EST

U.S. Sen. John Ensign's attorney acknowledged Thursday that the
Nevada
Republican's parents paid nearly $100,000 to the family of his
mistress
around the time she and her husband left his staff in April 2008.

Paul Coggins, Ensign's attorney, said in a statement that the
senator
gave Doug Hampton, Cindy Hampton and their two children gifts worth
$96,000 and that "each gift was limited to $12,000."

"The payments were made as gifts, accepted as gifts and complied
with
tax rules governing gifts," Coggins said.

Coggins said that after Ensign told his parents about his affair
with
Cindy Hampton - who was an then a campaign aide - the senator's
parents
"decided to make the gifts out of concern for the well-being of
longtime
family friends during a difficult time.

"The gifts are consistent with a pattern of generosity by the Ensign
family to the Hamptons and others."

Ensign's attorney said that none of the gifts came from campaign or
official funds and were not related to his official duties, saying
that
he complied with all ethics laws.

His disclosure comes as the watchdog group Citizens for
Responsibility
and Ethics in Washington called on the Justice Department to
investigate
potential criminal wrongdoing of Ensign reportedly giving Cindy
Hampton
more than $25,000 in a severance package. The group says that under
federal law, failing to report contributions of more than $25,000
can
result in five years in jail.

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Hehehe...it just goes on and on for these family value Republicans.


Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an
illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was
serving as Mayor of Portland.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts.
Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex
and
subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the
congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution.

Former New Jersey Governor James McGreevey resigned his office and
publically admitted his relationship with his croney/lover Golan
Cipel
who resigned from a $100,000/yr job created by McGreevey.

Edward Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded
guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off
a
bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Hehehe...it just goes on and on and on and on....






You don't get it, lu-ser. It is the Republicans who stand on the pile
of
crap mountain called "family values," proclaim themselves virtuous,
and
tell others they, too, should lead "proper" lives. That's why these
wonderful stories of Republican "misbehaving" has such a long
half-life,
as it were.

Vitter, Ensign, Sanford, Craig - all right-wingers, all "family
values"
bull****ters, all hypocrites.

Try again...and see if your peabrain can figure it all out, eh?






You are the one that doesn't get it. For every Republican scandal, there
are
myriad demo scandals. The "family values" argument is a straw dog that
you
use to justify your muckraking. You post one about Republicans, I'll
post
one or more about Democrats. Fair enough? Family values be damned.
That's
the democratic way.


There are as many republican scandals each year as there are dem
scandals per presidential term.

Foley - Gay perv hitting on congressional pages
Cunningham - On the take personally
Craig - Gay perv into public bathroom sex
Gannon - Gay perv/prostitute
Abramoff - Influence peddler
Bob May - Congressman, Abramoff assoc. in jail
Gonzales - Asswipe liar, destroyer of constitution
Vitter - Family values prostitute junkie "powder my ass"
Sanford - Family values philanderer, run at the mouth liar
Ensign - Family values philanderer and bribery specialist
Libby - Liar and scumbag
Allen - Bigot caught red-handed
DeLay - Scum bag caught shifting funds illegally
Bob Allen - Offered burly cop $20 to blow him
Glen Murphy - Young Rep Chair blew unconsenting overnight guest
Rick Renzi - Extortion, fraud, money laundering
Richard Curtis - Soliciting gay sex
John Dolittle - Representative, numerous ties to Abramoff
Ted Stevens - Forgot to mention $100,000 gift house renovation
Sarah Palin - Expensegate, troopergate, quittergate
John McCain - Picked Palin, faux-suspended campaign

This is without working at it.

You are right. Thanks for making my point. Any Google search turns up Dem.
and Rep. scandals galore. Harry seems to think hypocritical conservatives
are somehow more immoral or corrupt than guys like Ted Kennedy, Barney
Frank, Wm. Jefferson, Bill ("I did not have sex with that woman") Clinton
et
al.

The trite old "family values" rationale doesn't hold water. In the end,
it's
a straw dog.

He keeps beating a dead horse, much to his discredit.

"Let him without sin...." Surely you know the rest.

Hmmmm...

My point was that there are far more Republican scandals.

Your scale is 40 years, mine is 4.

Thanks for making my point.

*Any* number of scandals on either side is unacceptable.


Surely.

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10 bribe-taking,
womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a claim on proper
behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.

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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a
claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or
preacher who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?

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Lu Powell wrote:

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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a
claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or preacher
who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


How about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, erstwhile presidential candidate, general
gadfly, and father of the Democratic Congressman from Illinois?

Lu Powell wrote:

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Lu Powell wrote:

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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has
a claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or
preacher who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


How about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, erstwhile presidential candidate,
general gadfly, and father of the Democratic Congressman from Illinois?





I wasn't aware that Jackson has been out in the public lately,
condemning the lack of marital morality among national politicians while
following a different set of rules himself.

You still don't get it, Lu-ser. I don't give a damn who Republican
politicians **** on a personal basis. It's their penchant for
castigating others for behaving as they do sexually that I find
hypocritical...and so very Republican.

Thus, long lists of Republicans/Democrats don't matter to me. It's the
preaching of Republican hypocrites on matters sexual I'm discussing.

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:05 -0400, HK wrote:

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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
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"HK" wrote in message
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Lu Powell wrote:

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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has
a claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or
preacher who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


How about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, erstwhile presidential candidate,
general gadfly, and father of the Democratic Congressman from Illinois?





I wasn't aware that Jackson has been out in the public lately,
condemning the lack of marital morality among national politicians while
following a different set of rules himself.

You still don't get it, Lu-ser. I don't give a damn who Republican
politicians **** on a personal basis. It's their penchant for
castigating others for behaving as they do sexually that I find
hypocritical...and so very Republican.

Thus, long lists of Republicans/Democrats don't matter to me. It's the
preaching of Republican hypocrites on matters sexual I'm discussing.

If a Republican or Republicans subscribe to a particular set of moral
strictures, tenets, precepts, and disapprobations, then those persons
have a system by which a violator of those strictures can be judged
for having done so. If there is no value system, there can be no
condemnation. If one can condemn hypocrisy, one has a value system
and is summarily evaluated by that same system. To accuse Republicans
of hypocrisy is itself a hypocrisy. No Republican can take another
Republican to task if the other has crossed the ethical line that
Republicans generally adhere to. The argument decrying Republican
hypocrisy is specious at best.

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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:18:04 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:05 -0400, HK wrote:

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Thus, long lists of Republicans/Democrats don't matter to me. It's the
preaching of Republican hypocrites on matters sexual I'm discussing.

If a Republican or Republicans subscribe to a particular set of moral
strictures, tenets, precepts, and disapprobations, then those persons
have a system by which a violator of those strictures can be judged
for having done so. If there is no value system, there can be no
condemnation. If one can condemn hypocrisy, one has a value system
and is summarily evaluated by that same system. To accuse Republicans
of hypocrisy is itself a hypocrisy. No Republican can take another
Republican to task if the other has crossed the ethical line that
Republicans generally adhere to.

Correction: No Republican can take another Republican to task if
there is no ethical line (such as the moral suasion that Republicans
generally adhere to) for the other to cross.

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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:08:46 -0400, Gene Kearns
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:18:04 -0500, penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

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|If a Republican or Republicans subscribe to a particular set of moral
|strictures, tenets, precepts, and disapprobations, then those persons
|have a system by which a violator of those strictures can be judged
|for having done so. If there is no value system, there can be no
|condemnation. If one can condemn hypocrisy, one has a value system
|and is summarily evaluated by that same system. To accuse Republicans
|of hypocrisy is itself a hypocrisy. No Republican can take another
|Republican to task if the other has crossed the ethical line that
|Republicans generally adhere to. The argument decrying Republican
|hypocrisy is specious at best.


Hmmm.... let's see. That is really some "special" logic!

First, let's state the definition of hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues,
feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.
Hypocrisy typically comes from a desire to mask actual motives or
feelings, or from a person's inability to conform to standards they
espouse.

So.... nerdo-crombesians believe that it is morally reprehensible to
climb trees. In addition to this, they loudly proclaim their superior
moral principles, define themselves in terms of these principles, and
evaluate other people based on their adherence to the nerdo-crombesian
value system.

Anarchy:
An anarchist notes the discrepancy in nerdo-crombesian specific
morality vs behavior and condemns the perp for transgressing his own
nerdo-crombesian laws. (Do as I say, not as I do?) The anarchist
doesn't believe there should be ANY laws, certainly those about
climbing trees, but does see a problem with "pretending to have
beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one
does not actually have." So that makes him a hypocrite?

Anti-nerdo-crombesians:
Anti-nerdo-crombesians generally believe that it is morally
reprehensible to climb trees, but do not loudly proclaim their
superior moral principles, nor do they define themselves in terms of
these principles, and tend to evaluate other people based criteria not
tied so tightly to the Anti-nerdo-crombesian value system. The typical
Anti-nerdo-crombesian does see a problem with "pretending to have
beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one
does not actually have." So that makes him a hypocrite?

Please return to Logic 101 and retake. Do not pass Go do not collect
$200, go directly to Logic 101.....

Having a remonstrated problem with hypocrisy is "not loudly
proclaiming a superior moral principle," and decrying hypocrisy is not
"evaluating other people based on the criteria of 'your' own,
inimitable value system"?

How convenient. I must commend this poster for submitting such a
stellar rebuttal while yet retreating from any efficacious refutation.

Definitions for a reasonable dialectic;

Hypocrisy - a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one
does not.

And to help lift this poster out of the domain of pretense and
sanctimony (perhaps the poster will be able to determine why this is
being included);

Abstract: Converse Accident or hasty generalization is the fallacy of
drawing a general conclusion based on one or several atypical
instances.

I. Converse Accident: (hasty generalization) the fallacy of
considering certain exceptional cases and generalizing to a rule that
fits them alone. Note that the fallacy of converse accident is the
opposite of accident.

1. Thus, a general statement is made on the basis of insufficient
evidence or on the basis of only a few examples.


1. E.g., "Wow! Did you see that teenager run that red light?
Teenage drivers are really pathetic."


2. E.g., The following argument is raised to oppose the view
that boys have greater inherent mathematical ability. "When I was
four, my father taught me the beauty of numbers, and I have excelled
in mathematics ever since. My conclusion? The males who grew up with
a high aptitude for math are not spending enough time with their
daughters." Nancy Whelan Reese, "Letters," Time, (Vol. 117, No. 1),
6.

2. The generalization is sometimes made on the basis of carelessly
selected evidence

1. E.g., "I interviewed ten people on Main Street in
Greenwood on Friday night, and they all stated they would rather be
there than watching TV. I conclude that the folks in Greenwood don't
like to watch TV on Friday night."


2. E.g., "As I drove to school this morning, not one car
which was turning had its turn signal on. Thus, I conclude that
drivers in South Carolina are not trained to drive very well."

3. E.g., "The induction problem forever haunts us. How many
instances of a class must be observed before one can be really sure?
Having experience two uncoordinated woman-drivers, am I justified in
making a generalization about woman-drivers? (For too many man, a
sampling of two seems to justify such a generalization. Women, of
course, never make this sort of error.)" James L. Christian,
Philosophy (HBJ College, 1998).

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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


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Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a
claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or preacher
who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


Sort of like a President and Congress that wants to make the military smoke
free, but not Legislative Branch people or Executive Branch people?
Liberals with a government health plan for the masses, but exempt
themselves? That is HYPOCRITICAL!