"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family
By: Manu Raju
Politico
July 9, 2009 03:11 PM EST

U.S. Sen. John Ensign's attorney acknowledged Thursday that the
Nevada
Republican's parents paid nearly $100,000 to the family of his
mistress
around the time she and her husband left his staff in April 2008.

Paul Coggins, Ensign's attorney, said in a statement that the
senator
gave Doug Hampton, Cindy Hampton and their two children gifts worth
$96,000 and that "each gift was limited to $12,000."

"The payments were made as gifts, accepted as gifts and complied
with
tax rules governing gifts," Coggins said.

Coggins said that after Ensign told his parents about his affair
with
Cindy Hampton - who was an then a campaign aide - the senator's
parents
"decided to make the gifts out of concern for the well-being of
longtime
family friends during a difficult time.

"The gifts are consistent with a pattern of generosity by the Ensign
family to the Hamptons and others."

Ensign's attorney said that none of the gifts came from campaign or
official funds and were not related to his official duties, saying
that
he complied with all ethics laws.

His disclosure comes as the watchdog group Citizens for
Responsibility
and Ethics in Washington called on the Justice Department to
investigate
potential criminal wrongdoing of Ensign reportedly giving Cindy
Hampton
more than $25,000 in a severance package. The group says that under
federal law, failing to report contributions of more than $25,000
can
result in five years in jail.

- - -

Hehehe...it just goes on and on for these family value Republicans.


Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an
illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was
serving as Mayor of Portland.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts.
Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex
and
subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the
congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution.

Former New Jersey Governor James McGreevey resigned his office and
publically admitted his relationship with his croney/lover Golan
Cipel
who resigned from a $100,000/yr job created by McGreevey.

Edward Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded
guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off
a
bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Hehehe...it just goes on and on and on and on....






You don't get it, lu-ser. It is the Republicans who stand on the pile
of
crap mountain called "family values," proclaim themselves virtuous,
and
tell others they, too, should lead "proper" lives. That's why these
wonderful stories of Republican "misbehaving" has such a long
half-life,
as it were.

Vitter, Ensign, Sanford, Craig - all right-wingers, all "family
values"
bull****ters, all hypocrites.

Try again...and see if your peabrain can figure it all out, eh?






You are the one that doesn't get it. For every Republican scandal, there
are
myriad demo scandals. The "family values" argument is a straw dog that
you
use to justify your muckraking. You post one about Republicans, I'll
post
one or more about Democrats. Fair enough? Family values be damned.
That's
the democratic way.


There are as many republican scandals each year as there are dem
scandals per presidential term.

Foley - Gay perv hitting on congressional pages
Cunningham - On the take personally
Craig - Gay perv into public bathroom sex
Gannon - Gay perv/prostitute
Abramoff - Influence peddler
Bob May - Congressman, Abramoff assoc. in jail
Gonzales - Asswipe liar, destroyer of constitution
Vitter - Family values prostitute junkie "powder my ass"
Sanford - Family values philanderer, run at the mouth liar
Ensign - Family values philanderer and bribery specialist
Libby - Liar and scumbag
Allen - Bigot caught red-handed
DeLay - Scum bag caught shifting funds illegally
Bob Allen - Offered burly cop $20 to blow him
Glen Murphy - Young Rep Chair blew unconsenting overnight guest
Rick Renzi - Extortion, fraud, money laundering
Richard Curtis - Soliciting gay sex
John Dolittle - Representative, numerous ties to Abramoff
Ted Stevens - Forgot to mention $100,000 gift house renovation
Sarah Palin - Expensegate, troopergate, quittergate
John McCain - Picked Palin, faux-suspended campaign

This is without working at it.

You are right. Thanks for making my point. Any Google search turns up Dem.
and Rep. scandals galore. Harry seems to think hypocritical conservatives
are somehow more immoral or corrupt than guys like Ted Kennedy, Barney
Frank, Wm. Jefferson, Bill ("I did not have sex with that woman") Clinton
et
al.

The trite old "family values" rationale doesn't hold water. In the end,
it's
a straw dog.

He keeps beating a dead horse, much to his discredit.

"Let him without sin...." Surely you know the rest.

Hmmmm...

My point was that there are far more Republican scandals.

Your scale is 40 years, mine is 4.

Thanks for making my point.

*Any* number of scandals on either side is unacceptable.

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family
By: Manu Raju
Politico
July 9, 2009 03:11 PM EST

U.S. Sen. John Ensign's attorney acknowledged Thursday that the
Nevada
Republican's parents paid nearly $100,000 to the family of his
mistress
around the time she and her husband left his staff in April 2008.

Paul Coggins, Ensign's attorney, said in a statement that the
senator
gave Doug Hampton, Cindy Hampton and their two children gifts worth
$96,000 and that "each gift was limited to $12,000."

"The payments were made as gifts, accepted as gifts and complied
with
tax rules governing gifts," Coggins said.

Coggins said that after Ensign told his parents about his affair
with
Cindy Hampton - who was an then a campaign aide - the senator's
parents
"decided to make the gifts out of concern for the well-being of
longtime
family friends during a difficult time.

"The gifts are consistent with a pattern of generosity by the Ensign
family to the Hamptons and others."

Ensign's attorney said that none of the gifts came from campaign or
official funds and were not related to his official duties, saying
that
he complied with all ethics laws.

His disclosure comes as the watchdog group Citizens for
Responsibility
and Ethics in Washington called on the Justice Department to
investigate
potential criminal wrongdoing of Ensign reportedly giving Cindy
Hampton
more than $25,000 in a severance package. The group says that under
federal law, failing to report contributions of more than $25,000
can
result in five years in jail.

- - -

Hehehe...it just goes on and on for these family value Republicans.


Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an
illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was
serving as Mayor of Portland.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts.
Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex
and
subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the
congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution.

Former New Jersey Governor James McGreevey resigned his office and
publically admitted his relationship with his croney/lover Golan
Cipel
who resigned from a $100,000/yr job created by McGreevey.

Edward Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded
guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off
a
bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Hehehe...it just goes on and on and on and on....






You don't get it, lu-ser. It is the Republicans who stand on the pile
of
crap mountain called "family values," proclaim themselves virtuous,
and
tell others they, too, should lead "proper" lives. That's why these
wonderful stories of Republican "misbehaving" has such a long
half-life,
as it were.

Vitter, Ensign, Sanford, Craig - all right-wingers, all "family
values"
bull****ters, all hypocrites.

Try again...and see if your peabrain can figure it all out, eh?






You are the one that doesn't get it. For every Republican scandal, there
are
myriad demo scandals. The "family values" argument is a straw dog that
you
use to justify your muckraking. You post one about Republicans, I'll
post
one or more about Democrats. Fair enough? Family values be damned.
That's
the democratic way.


There are as many republican scandals each year as there are dem
scandals per presidential term.

Foley - Gay perv hitting on congressional pages
Cunningham - On the take personally
Craig - Gay perv into public bathroom sex
Gannon - Gay perv/prostitute
Abramoff - Influence peddler
Bob May - Congressman, Abramoff assoc. in jail
Gonzales - Asswipe liar, destroyer of constitution
Vitter - Family values prostitute junkie "powder my ass"
Sanford - Family values philanderer, run at the mouth liar
Ensign - Family values philanderer and bribery specialist
Libby - Liar and scumbag
Allen - Bigot caught red-handed
DeLay - Scum bag caught shifting funds illegally
Bob Allen - Offered burly cop $20 to blow him
Glen Murphy - Young Rep Chair blew unconsenting overnight guest
Rick Renzi - Extortion, fraud, money laundering
Richard Curtis - Soliciting gay sex
John Dolittle - Representative, numerous ties to Abramoff
Ted Stevens - Forgot to mention $100,000 gift house renovation
Sarah Palin - Expensegate, troopergate, quittergate
John McCain - Picked Palin, faux-suspended campaign

This is without working at it.

You are right. Thanks for making my point. Any Google search turns up Dem.
and Rep. scandals galore. Harry seems to think hypocritical conservatives
are somehow more immoral or corrupt than guys like Ted Kennedy, Barney
Frank, Wm. Jefferson, Bill ("I did not have sex with that woman") Clinton
et
al.

The trite old "family values" rationale doesn't hold water. In the end,
it's
a straw dog.

He keeps beating a dead horse, much to his discredit.

"Let him without sin...." Surely you know the rest.

Hmmmm...

My point was that there are far more Republican scandals.

Your scale is 40 years, mine is 4.

Thanks for making my point.

*Any* number of scandals on either side is unacceptable.


Surely.

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10 bribe-taking,
womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a claim on proper
behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.

Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a
claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or
preacher who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"

wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a
claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or preacher
who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


How about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, erstwhile presidential candidate, general
gadfly, and father of the Democratic Congressman from Illinois?

Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"

wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has
a claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or
preacher who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


How about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, erstwhile presidential candidate,
general gadfly, and father of the Democratic Congressman from Illinois?





I wasn't aware that Jackson has been out in the public lately,
condemning the lack of marital morality among national politicians while
following a different set of rules himself.

You still don't get it, Lu-ser. I don't give a damn who Republican
politicians **** on a personal basis. It's their penchant for
castigating others for behaving as they do sexually that I find
hypocritical...and so very Republican.

Thus, long lists of Republicans/Democrats don't matter to me. It's the
preaching of Republican hypocrites on matters sexual I'm discussing.

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"

wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has
a claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or
preacher who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


How about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, erstwhile presidential candidate,
general gadfly, and father of the Democratic Congressman from Illinois?





I wasn't aware that Jackson has been out in the public lately,
condemning the lack of marital morality among national politicians while
following a different set of rules himself.

You still don't get it, Lu-ser. I don't give a damn who Republican
politicians **** on a personal basis. It's their penchant for
castigating others for behaving as they do sexually that I find
hypocritical...and so very Republican.

Thus, long lists of Republicans/Democrats don't matter to me. It's the
preaching of Republican hypocrites on matters sexual I'm discussing.

If a Republican or Republicans subscribe to a particular set of moral
strictures, tenets, precepts, and disapprobations, then those persons
have a system by which a violator of those strictures can be judged
for having done so. If there is no value system, there can be no
condemnation. If one can condemn hypocrisy, one has a value system
and is summarily evaluated by that same system. To accuse Republicans
of hypocrisy is itself a hypocrisy. No Republican can take another
Republican to task if the other has crossed the ethical line that
Republicans generally adhere to. The argument decrying Republican
hypocrisy is specious at best.

--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------
Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:51:29 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:46:52 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:06:17 -0400, "Lu Powell"

wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Ensign paid $96k to mistress's family

But that wasn't my point. My point is the ratio between the parties.

Oh, I see. I'll give you 20 sex deviate conservatives for 10
bribe-taking, womanizing, gay prostituting liberals. Neither side has a
claim on proper behavior. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Don't bother to reply. We've thrashed this thread to the point of
ridiculousness.


Naw.

Who is going to be the next hypocritical right-wing politician or preacher
who tells us to behave sexually while he isn't?


Sort of like a President and Congress that wants to make the military smoke
free, but not Legislative Branch people or Executive Branch people?
Liberals with a government health plan for the masses, but exempt
themselves? That is HYPOCRITICAL!