That is beyond a doubt, the cheapest shot I have ever seen.
To take the events of two years ago and distort them to fit YOUR agenda is
lower than the acts of those that perpatrated the attacks.
The politics here have hit an all time low.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
(And also damned glad you weren't in front of me when you said it)

Cliff

To take the events of two years ago and distort them to fit YOUR agenda is
lower than the acts of those that perpatrated the attacks.

I presume you're addressing me?

How did I distort facts? Did I dispute that the WTC and the Pentagon were
attacked by criminal, *******, terrorists? No. Did I
chime in with the ridiculous crap swirling through the rumor mills that Bush
knew all about the attack in advance and let it happen anyway? No.

I stated I am still P.O.'d about 9-11.
That, is a fact. Aren't most of us?

I stated that the terrorists hoped the attack would do serious damage to the
American way of life. That is a fact.

I stated that repressive, reactionary elements in the US have used the events
of 9-11 to advocate the restriction or suspension of constitutionally
guaranteed freedoms. That too, is a fact.

So why are you so upset?
I assume you're not a terrorist. Perhaps you are in favor of surrendering or
modifying our civil liberties to make the federal government bigger, more
powerful, and less accountable after 9-11? Because you feel it will keep you
"safe" from terrorists (who would like to strip you of your unique rights as an
American)?
If so, you are currently among the majority in the United States. Sadly enough.

That doesn't make you a repressive reactionary, however, so don't take offense.
The dangerous repressive reactionaries are people who can effectively propose
repressive, reactionary policies. I stand fully behind my observation that
there are groups besides the terrorists who seek to take advantage of public
fear.

If that's the "cheapest shot you have ever seen", you really need to get out
more.


We should be fully asserting and exercising our freedoms, not compromising
them. Sort of a way of saying "Yeah? Well watch this you scum sucking murdering
*******s, we're as free as we ever have been. You terrorists live in nations
where the individual rights are suppressed for the benefit of the government,
but in the US we are a free people and we will never surrender our liberties!"

Learn to distrust big government. Learn to distrust big government unrestricted
by the Constitution even more. Fear a legislature
that blindly does the bidding of the executive branch rather than perform its
vital check and balance function. D's and R's alike.

Gould,
No, I was referring to basskisser's post. I should have made that more clear,
but I let the heat of the moment overcome me.
I was a firefighter for 28 years. I take the loss of life there VERY
seriously.
Cliff

The NYFD showed the world what it was made of on 9-11.

How many guts did it take to run *into* the second burning tower when its twin
brother had already collapsed? Not many of us
ever face a situation where we are faced with "If I do my duty, there is an
extremely high probability that I will die in the next half hour." To face that
proposition and do your duty anyway is just flat out courageous and well beyond
the normal decisions most of us make, most of the time. Fortunately, even our
police and firemen don't have to face a 9-11 decision every day.

(Chief3mfc) wrote in message ...
That is beyond a doubt, the cheapest shot I have ever seen.
To take the events of two years ago and distort them to fit YOUR agenda is
lower than the acts of those that perpatrated the attacks.
The politics here have hit an all time low.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
(And also damned glad you weren't in front of me when you said it)

Cliff


What part of it do you disagree with? All truth, and the truth should
be told. I'm patriotic, as opposed to goose stepping to the furor, no
matter how wrong he is. And, I'd be MORE than happy to be "in front of
you" when I said it.

"Chief3mfc" wrote in message
...
That is beyond a doubt, the cheapest shot I have ever seen.
To take the events of two years ago and distort them to fit YOUR agenda is
lower than the acts of those that perpatrated the attacks.
The politics here have hit an all time low.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
(And also damned glad you weren't in front of me when you said it)

Cliff

Cliff,
Ignore the cheap shots mate - those of us here in Australia are
shoulder to shoulder with you blokes...We don't let mates down.

Cheers,

Rowan