From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?

On Jun 29, 2:28*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. *So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. *More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?

At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.

On Jun 29, 2:31*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. *So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. *More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?

At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.

He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?

At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.


Because I laugh at your "ideas"? Well...it's hard to take you and your
boating ideas seriously, froggy.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?
At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.

He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...


I've seen photos of your rowboats. You're a funny guy. Most of what
you've "built" is barely suitable for a voyage across a swimming pool.
And those stained seams!

On Jun 29, 4:07*pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. *So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. *More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?
At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.

He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...

I've seen photos of your rowboats. You're a funny guy. Most of what
you've "built" is barely suitable for a voyage across a swimming pool.
And those stained seams!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL, as if you know what you are talking about... snerk You
couldn't build a sand pile in a sandbox..

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 4:07 pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?
At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.
He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...
I've seen photos of your rowboats. You're a funny guy. Most of what
you've "built" is barely suitable for a voyage across a swimming pool.
And those stained seams!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL, as if you know what you are talking about... snerk You
couldn't build a sand pile in a sandbox..


Any idiot can build a dingy dinghy. You're proof of that.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:26:48 -0400, HK wrote:

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 4:07 pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?
At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.
He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...
I've seen photos of your rowboats. You're a funny guy. Most of what
you've "built" is barely suitable for a voyage across a swimming pool.
And those stained seams!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL, as if you know what you are talking about... snerk You
couldn't build a sand pile in a sandbox..


Any idiot can build a dingy dinghy. You're proof of that.

Special idiots can buld special dinghies. He's proof of that too.

jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:26:48 -0400, HK wrote:

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 4:07 pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?
At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.
He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...
I've seen photos of your rowboats. You're a funny guy. Most of what
you've "built" is barely suitable for a voyage across a swimming pool.
And those stained seams!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
LOL, as if you know what you are talking about... snerk You
couldn't build a sand pile in a sandbox..

Any idiot can build a dingy dinghy. You're proof of that.

Special idiots can buld special dinghies. He's proof of that too.


Well, he quit the boat-building biz. Did you ever see the paint job he
put on his own rowboat? It was...well, it looked as if he launched the
boat and then painted a bootstripe on it freehand to mark the waterline,
and then slapped on the cheapest gray housepaint he could find on the
interior. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. Back in the good old days, my father's
shop would turn out a few plywood workboats to order in the winter. That
kept his workmen busy. I got to help a little and I got to sand and
paint. I was maybe nine or ten. If I painted as poorly as justhate did,
my father would have tossed me off the dock.

On Jun 29, 4:47*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:26:48 -0400, HK wrote:

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 4:07 pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:28 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
From what I can determine, once a boat is on plane, it is primarily
the weight that determines fuel efficiency so a lighter weight boat
should give much better fuel economy.
BUT, as I have found with my Tolman which is very light for her size,
a lightweight boat is easily pushed around by a wave due to less
momentum. *So, although you might consider a boat made from new
lightweight composites, would it be as seaworthy as a heavier one?
This is actually a practical consideration for me if I build a Tolman
Jumbo with slightly gretaer deadrise than the design. *More deadrise
will make her pound less but will the lightweight make her less
seaworthy than similar heavier boats?
At one time I thought HK new something about boat design but he gives
me no reason to think he does.
He has stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to prove he knows
nothing about design or building. Most of the time he doesn't even
know he is saying something that makes that point so clear.. He don't
know, what he don't know.. makes for funny **** sometimes...
I've seen photos of your rowboats. You're a funny guy. Most of what
you've "built" is barely suitable for a voyage across a swimming pool.
And those stained seams!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
LOL, as if you know what you are talking about... *snerk You
couldn't build a sand pile in a sandbox..

Any idiot can build a dingy dinghy. You're proof of that.

Special idiots can buld special dinghies. *He's proof of that too.

Well, he quit the boat-building biz. Did you ever see the paint job he
put on his own rowboat? It was...well, it looked as if he launched the
boat and then painted a bootstripe on it freehand to mark the waterline,
and then slapped on the cheapest gray housepaint he could find on the
interior. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. Back in the good old days, my father's
shop would turn out a few plywood workboats to order in the winter. That
kept his workmen busy. I got to help a little and I got to sand and
paint. I was maybe nine or ten. If I painted as poorly as justhate did,
my father would have tossed me off the dock.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pffffttt... Nobody here believes you.